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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

I'm sure they have much clever people then us , maybe it's better for them to tick along and put resources into other stuff that brings in more money
This is the thing - AMD has nowhere near Nvidia production capacity as TSMC and their main source of income are CPU and enterprise. Radeon department is needed for consoles development but selling graphics cards not their priority for sure. It's likely they don't even have capacity to gain much of the market even if they gave them away for free. In other words, higher pricing might be on purpose to match what actual production capacity they have.
 
Who cares what the 5070ti sells for, Nvidia don’t need to sell any and would be quite happy using the extra capacity for AI anyway.

What makes you think AMD doesn't do the same? They are making a killing on enterprise market as well and that's where their main focus is too. Then CPUs and consoles. Radeon is just by the way, clearly.
 
Because the markets also dictate lower prices and if retailers (and AIBs) price things too high they'll be waiting a long time to get their money back.

Retailers and AIBs don't simply get given GPUs and get told that once they're sold they have to send $X to AMD. Retailers and AIBs buy GPUs from AMD, sometimes in significant quantity and at significant cost, and they don't get to see that money again until they sell those GPUs.

When Gibbo listed the names of 15 graphics cards the other day let's say they've bought 100 units of each at £500 per unit that's £750k they've now got tied up in products sitting on a shelf, £750k that they'll see no return on until they've sold them. (that's just an example).
That's not how it works behind the scenes. :) Vendors can drop prices and then do refunds in various ways (be it discounting prices on next shipment to let retailer recover the difference, cashback, credit etc.). Big retailers like ocuk have loads of ways to drop the pricing mid sales and get the monies back from vendors one way or another. As long as AMD decides that's how it should be, they can make it happen. This is exactly why the price in retail isn't set yet in stone and AMD is still debating what it should be, because they can make such adjustments with will propagate through retail very quickly. Then it is in retailers hands what they really want to charge and what the agreement is between them and vendors.
 
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That's not how it works behind the scenes. :) Vendors can drop prices and then do refunds in various ways (be it discounting prices on next shipment to let retailer recover the difference, cashback, credit etc.). Big retailers like ocuk have loads of ways to drop the pricing mid sales and get the monies back from vendors one way or another. As long as AMD decides that's how it should be, they can make it happen. This is exactly why the price in retail isn't set yet in stone and AMD is still debating what it should be, because they can make such adjustments with will propagate through retail very quickly.
Tells me that's not how it is then explains that's exactly how it is only with a caveat that vendors can get rebates.
 
IMO the 9060 XT needs to be 6950XT performance or the very least 6900XT performance.
Not a chance - the 9070 is around 7900GRE performance, which is basically the same as a 6950XT.

9060XT is rumoured to be 32 CU for 2048 Shaders. The 7600XT is a 2048 Shader part.

Allowing for architecture improvements and clock speed boosts, I think it will come somewhere near a 7700XT maybe?
 
Tells me that's not how it is then explains that's exactly how it is only with a caveat that vendors can get rebates.
That's exactly why you can see much lower prices initially then jumping up on Nvidia cards. Hell, a lot of the time retail do not even pay for the stock before it sells, depending on their agreement with specific vendor. In other words, the pricing might not exist yet till 5 minutes before premiere and not even retail knows what it would be. This is why leaks of retail pricing are often so far from reality. So no, I'm not confirming what you said, I'm saying it's often the opposite. :)
 
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If they mess up the pricing again I have little option but to assume there's a nudge-nudge-wink-wink collusion and price-fixing cabal going on here.
Nvidia is a monopoly though, they don't have to collude with anyone. Other parties on the other hand... ;) But in this case, it's just very broken market.
 
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Gamersnexus saying AMD haven't decided the price properly yet is very very worrying lol

They *will* at this point have a card if launch is next week
 
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Not a chance - the 9070 is around 7900GRE performance, which is basically the same as a 6950XT.

9060XT is rumoured to be 32 CU for 2048 Shaders. The 7600XT is a 2048 Shader part.

Allowing for architecture improvements and clock speed boosts, I think it will come somewhere near a 7700XT maybe?

The official leaks don't suggest that , I'd guess 7800xt , 5060ti 4070
 
Gamersnexus saying AMD haven't decided the price properly yet is very very worrying lol

They *will* at this point have a card if launch is next week

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The hype train has really taken a nose dive these past few pages! I've got to say, if nothing else, I've really really enjoyed this thread :D I've not been this active in the forums for the past 10 years
 
the leaks all say 20% past the Gre for the 9070

40-60% for the 9070xt
That's bad if true.

The hype train has really taken a nose dive these past few pages! I've got to say, if nothing else, I've really really enjoyed this thread :D I've not been this active in the forums for the past 10 years

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