*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[Jono8]

Not sure why we are getting a lecture on economics and inflation.

That might explain why a £500 becomes a £600 card over the course of several years, but it doesn't explain a retailer varying the price of 5080s up and down on the same day, it doesn't explain a retailer selling the same Palit 5090 for £2.3k on launch day, £2.7k for the next two weeks, then £2.5k today.

No, that sounds like a business that varies the price according to demand. Nothing wrong with that, anyone who has ever bought a plane ticket or booked a hotel knows how that works. But airlines and hotels dont pretend otherwise.

Yeh, I mean you can't blame them for selling them at a silly price if there are people silly enough to pay it.

 

[humbug]

Problem is European inflation has nothing to do with inflation in China and Taiwan where most of these parts or made or assembled in. Might as well use inflation in Zimbabwe then and you can charge even more.

Almost no one in Zimbabwe can afford one of these, because their currency is so weak, £500 to us is like £50,000 to them, that's inflation.

 

[Joxeon]

It sounds like there was no reason to delay if it's just going to be priced against the 5070Ti lol

AMD probably got wind of the ol 4090 performance for $549 line but now it looks like we’ll be getting 4070 super performance for $549+200 worth of scalping tax they feel good about charging $700 for a 9070XT again.

 

[uscool]

Problem is European inflation has nothing to do with inflation in China and Taiwan where most of these parts or made or assembled in. Might as well use inflation in Zimbabwe then and you can charge even more.

God forbid they ain't taking any advantage of the excuse because it's all because of inflation, and we'll get price drops on the same products lol

 

[Martini1991]

AMD probably got wind of the ol 4090 performance for $549 line but now it looks like we’ll be getting 4070 super performance for $549+200 worth of scalping tax they feel good about charging $700 for a 9070XT again.

They'd have been stupid if they thought that was the case since it isn't the first time Nvidia have used that marketing strategy for AI fake frames equivalent

 

[humbug]

They'd have been stupid if they thought that was the case since it isn't the first time Nvidia have used that marketing strategy for AI fake frames equivalent

So.... the 5070 isn't actually = to the 4090 then?

 

[Game]

In some respects it dosnt matter. There's so many points along the chain for the landed price to consumers to end up being sky high.

I do think a included top tier game would be a good point of differentiation, where they can't directly compete with Nvidia on a technological basis.

games work for some people so might be a good idea

but for people like me a AAA game bolted on is worthless

 

[Martini1991]

So.... the 5070 isn't actually = to the 4090 then?

I'm not convinced it beats a 4070Ti

 

[humbug]

games work for some people so might be a good idea

but for people like me a AAA game bolted on is worthless

Yeah just take the £20 off the price...... save us from having to sell the bloody game key.

I'm not convinced it beats a 4070Ti

Damn.

 

[Hedge]

It's kind of strange that there is excitement for something that offers nothing new or groundbreaking. Don't get me wrong, having a good performing card at a fair price is a nice prospect, but the level of hype is odd to me.

Anyone of us could have bought a 4080 or 7900xtx within the last year or so at a price not too dissimilar to what I expect is going to be announced tomorrow.

It's not exactly life changing is it lol.

 

[Martini1991]

It's kind of strange that there is excitement for something that offers nothing new or groundbreaking. Don't get me wrong, having a good performing card at a fair price is a nice prospect, but the level of hype is odd to me.

Anyone of us could have bought a 4080 or 7900xtx within the last year or so at a price not too dissimilar to what I expect is going to be announced tomorrow.

It's not exactly life changing is it lol.

Probably looking at AMD's 10% or customers

 

[mahius]

Delaying launch seemed a good idea, its allowed AIB's and Resellers to build up stock
...
OcUK has literally been sat on stock since mid January......

So unless I'm reading into this wrong... there is plenty of stock for these AMD GPUs next week... if I try to buy one in the evening after work, there will still be some left near MSRP?

As 7800 XT is not EOL
...
So my guess is as follows:

7800 XT is currently $429 - $499
9070 at best case no doubt $549 and worse case $649
9070 XT at best case $649 and worse case $749

Not gunna lie, pricing around existing GPUs is part of the problem in recent GPU generations. These new GPUs should be replacing the old parts, not sit alongside them.
Back in the good old days, a whole new generation replaced the older models. But perhaps the guess is an educated guess and is probably more likely to be true in that sense.

Personally, I can't lie I would not be happy with such pricing. That estimate for the XT sounds atrocious, especially due to being far too close to the 5070ti. At that point, all the jokes we make about AMD pricing their cards according to Nvidia would be valid. It's so close the outgoing dribs and drabs of the 7900XT... I bet some would rather just buy the older card at that price.

To really win hearts and minds, the even non-XT needs to be max £500 (priced like the 7800XT). I expect AMD to to fall flat and not manage that or retailers to price high anyway. Inflation be damned, outside of folks foolishly buying expensive toys on credit, really most folks can't afford to be paying so much for a single PC part. If AMD want to get sales, they should be aiming for where most of the market can afford to buy.

Anyhow, all this makes me realise...

The hype train has truly crashed right before AMD has a chance to say anything.

 

[Joxeon]

So.... the 5070 isn't actually = to the 4090 then?

Nope, turns out Jensen was just smoking a 5090.

 

[humbug]

To be fair the 7800 XT was a competitor to the 4070, not the 4070 Ti, and that just in raster.

 

[Tinek]

Yeah just take the £20 off the price...... save us from having to sell the bloody game key.

Last I've seen they didn't provide game keys anymore, just direct deployment to ones Steam account for example. Exactly to prevent resale.

 

[humbug]

Last I've seen they didn't provide game keys anymore, just direct deployment to ones Steam account for example. Exactly to prevent resale.

Yeah that didn't work, all you have to do was hook-up with the buyer, log in to his Steam, activate and you're done, the buyer then resets his Steam Password, it made it more of a pain but it didn't stop it.

 

[Tinek]

Yeah that didn't work, all you have to do was hook-up with the buyer, log in to his Steam, activate and you're done, the buyer then resets his Steam Password, it made it more of a pain but it didn't stop it.

That's load of hustle for 20 quid...

 

[Joxeon]

To be fair the 7800 XT was a competitor to the 4070, not the 4070 Ti, and that just in raster.

The 4070ti matched a 3090 though, the 5070ti barely matches a 4080, infact a 4070 was closer to a 3090 than a 5070ti to a 4090 so a big regression going on which AMD can either be a part of or buck the trend.

 

[humbug]

That's load of hustle for 20 quid...

It is you're right...

 

[humbug]

The 4070ti matched a 3090 though, the 5070ti barely matches a 4080, infact a 4070 was closer to a 3090 than a 5070ti to a 4090 so a big regression going on which AMD can either be a part of or buck the trend.

There isn't a huge discrepancy.