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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

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AMD has a lot of work to do but they *need* to do it.
 
Robert896r1 said:
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AMD has a lot of work to do but they *need* to do it.
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I think a comparison like this is irrelevant, the 4090 is also 40% faster than the 4080 in RT while the 4080 is still 20% more expensive than a 7900 XTX which is price more like' actually very close to a 4070 Ti Super.

It was an interesting video because i found some good data in it to draw a narrative from, not the narrative they wanted to portray, their narrative being this, its bottom feeder garbage clickbait.
 
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humbug said:
I think a comparison like this is irrelevant, the 4090 is also 40% faster than the 4080 in RT while the 4080 is still 20% more expensive than a 7900 XTX which is price more like' actually very close to a 4070 Ti Super.

It was an interesting video because i found some good data in it to draw a narrative from, not the narrative they wanted to portray, their narrative being this, its bottom feeder garbage clickbait.
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It's more about Nvidia's best vs AMD's best.

But yeah, against 4080 would have been interesting as well.
 
humbug said:
I think a comparison like this is irrelevant, the 4090 is also 40% faster than the 4080 in RT while the 4080 is still 20% more expensive than a 7900 XTX which is price more like' actually very close to a 4070 Ti Super.

It was an interesting video because i found some good data in it to draw a narrative from, not the narrative they wanted to portray, their narrative being this, its bottom feeder garbage clickbait.
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Probably not just me thinking this but the XTX is currently around £800 whereas the 4090 is slightly increasing at retailers around £1800 upward lately. So being the 50% stronger in RT is great but your also paying more than double for that. Though I suppose this is only for people that are comparing them to buy right now.

Would be better to also show how the RT compares with 7800XT v 4070 to see what the gap was like for more regular type spenders as a follow on video.
 
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Probably not just me thinking this but the XTX is currently around £800 whereas the 4090 is slightly increasing at retailers around £1800 upward lately. So being the 50% stronger in RT is great but your also paying more than double for that. Though I suppose this is only for people that are comparing them to buy right now.

Would be better to also show how the RT compares with 7800XT v 4070 to see what the gap was like for more regular type spenders as a follow on video.
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Right, the 4070 Ti Super is around the same....

I would like to see a comparison between the 4070 and 7800 XT, i'm expecting to lose but......... you know what. The 4060 Ti 16GB is the same money, there you go... :D
 
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Or a price comparison, 4070 Ti Super. I think that would set a different narrative, which is why it will never happen.
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Yup, but there are a few points to make.
First, I'd like to see a complex test, like
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You have the performance with difference upscaling settings + frame gen. It would also be nice to have an image quality comparison for each, at every resolution (1080p, 1440p, 4k), so we know if Performance/Ultra Performance for FSR holds as well as it does for DLSS as you go lower in resolution (normally it doesn't, but maybe future versions will).

Secondly, there were tested in Silent Hill 2 where the 4070ti Super pulls ahead easily.

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I know, "but 30fps isn't playable for me, so it doesn't matter". Well... judging by the previous test in Black Myth Vukong, with upscalers will be 60fps + before frame gen and around 100fps with, even if the "base" FPS is around 30fps. 7900xtx will fall short of that I'd expect.

Thirdly, you can easily swaps DLSS versions for the best one. DLSS Swapper makes it super easy and DLSS Tweaks allows, for those that want, to further tweak the ratio for upscalers or different profiles for their user case. This totally lacks with FSR...

Fourthly, AMD has practically zero margins on the graphics cards as per latest earnings calls (or whatever it was called). While good for the gamer, the price of the 7900xtx should be A LOT higher to bring worthwhile money and this (as in higher price), I expect to be while going further into their next gen. Moreover, 7900xtx is closer to 4090 in die size than 4080/4070ti Super, making this gen rather a ... fail. No wonder it was priced that high, even with MCM it costs too much to make.

With that said, let's say nVIDIA doesn't cripple the performance too much (but that could happen, true) and next gem 5060(ti) is around 4070ti super performance for something like $400-$500. Can AMD deliver 7900xtx + at least 20% in RT performance for the same money with rdna4 so it comes at about the same performance? Can they have a DLSS 1:1, both in features, but also performance/IQ alternative? Can AMD actually push, get out of their comfort/do whatever you want zone and work with devs to have FSR implemented in basically all games? Sure, Raster perfomance will be higher, but having just something a little bit better than the competion won't bring them the victory they hope for. It hasn't worked so far.
 
I hate long rambling posts that are full of half truths, its very tiring replying to them properly, so i'm going to ignore all of it and just say you misunderstand my agenda and reasonings, Radeon are walking dead, there is no winning for them no mater what they do and here is the kicker.... i'm at the stage now where i think it would quite interesting if AMD bow out, if Nvidia are on their own without the token competition to help them pretend there is some.

When i talk about the positives of AMD's GPU's i do that because i think that, not because i'm trying to make a loser look like a winner, they are losers, i can see that without people emphasising AMD's losing whenever they see someone talk about AMD's GPU's that is in anyway positive.

Edit: all that is a bit uncalled for on my part, sorry, i am tired and i honestly don't care about GPU wars at all, there isn't one anymore Nvidia have won outright so i just don't care now....

I'll buy whoever's GPU for as long as i think its worth it, which might not be for much longer. The 4060 Ti 16GB is a joke, so is the 4070 still at £500, the 4070 S even more...... why? because it gets 24 FPS instead of 17 in Silent Hill 2? you're posting that slide with a serious face. eh..... **** it.
 
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Surely though they won't give up, from the recent tech stuff from digital foundry on the ps5 pro, RDNA 4 is looking good and the upscaling tech also looking strong, AMD must have a play in this and they have been picked for next gen consoles so R&D must be continuing. I will be buying a 7700xt for both my son's this Christmas to replace their 6600xt as Nvidia's comparable alternatives are crap. i.e. 4060ti
 
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Surely though they won't give up
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Don't be fooled, it's just an internal decision to switch their limited capacity to AI cards and maximise profits as much as possible. The abandoning of high-end for 'market reasons' is just some BS line they trotted out so to mitigate the ire of potential purchasers of said cards.

AMD are all about the green these days.
 
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I'll buy whoever's GPU for as long as i think its worth it, which might not be for much longer. The 4060 Ti 16GB is a joke, so is the 4070 still at £500, the 4070 S even more...... why? because it gets 24 FPS instead of 17 in Silent Hill 2? you're posting that slide with a serious face. eh..... **** it.
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I did say there that 24 turns much easier into 60fps +, be that is with RT or not and it's much easier/better on the competition. Surely you see the benefit of this into something like SC/SQ42?

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Surely though they won't give up, from the recent tech stuff from digital foundry on the ps5 pro, RDNA 4 is looking good and the upscaling tech also looking strong, AMD must have a play in this and they have been picked for next gen consoles so R&D must be continuing. I will be buying a 7700xt for both my son's this Christmas to replace their 6600xt as Nvidia's comparable alternatives are crap. i.e. 4060ti
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I guess they won't give up since R&D is also funded by Sony and Microsoft, much easier like that. But 100% dedication is also hard to believe they'll have. nVIDIA is no Intel to stay idle and even there compete on the hardware side alone.
 
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Calin Banc said:
I did say there that 24 turns much easier into 60fps +, be that is with RT or not and it's much easier/better on the competition. Surely you see the benefit of this into something like SC/SQ42?
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They are using AMD's white paper on RT, and AMD GPU's seem to handle the Volumetric clouds much better than Nvidia.

IDK but they do talk about the importance of people being able to actually run RT or what's the point.
 
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Surely though they won't give up, from the recent tech stuff from digital foundry on the ps5 pro, RDNA 4 is looking good and the upscaling tech also looking strong, AMD must have a play in this and they have been picked for next gen consoles so R&D must be continuing. I will be buying a 7700xt for both my son's this Christmas to replace their 6600xt as Nvidia's comparable alternatives are crap. i.e. 4060ti
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Of course not. It has great strategic importance and even if it's not doing that great atm it's too valuable to jettison. Just look at all the billions Intel's pouring in their division hoping to replicate even what AMD's done, never mind Nvidia (and AMD is close enough to NV anyway, certainly more than anyone else can ever hope to be in the near future).
 
Tbh nobody is playing Silent Hill 2 with those settings at those FPS, even with a 4090.

That’s a ‘ray tracing on light/off’ scenario.
 
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