*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Haha. I have also been using DLSS since 2.0.

I am talking about the poll from last year when all the AMD boys said they don't use upscaling and it was all about native. Now I see them all excited about FSR 4

Makes sense i suppose, they just got usable upscaling for the first time.

I am actually very happy AMD went down this route and dumped the open route people here were cheering on. I am all for open if it can be done just as good. But that was obviously not possible.

I am actually looking forward to UDNA a lot more

I keep thinking the same about RT.
Lots of talk of just turning it off, it not adding anything, just looking worse, etc.
Then with the 9070 release there seems to be lots of excitement about AMD's improved RT performance. Which strikes me as an odd thing to get excited about if you're just going to turn it off.
And I know there are now 2(?) games that you can't turn it off in (1 of which I think people might play) and I suppose people can't just not buy a game these days. Maybe it's a sign of things to come, but did we not see this coming before?

RT and upscaling are not something I use much, so I don't really have an opinion on them myself. I guess it's nice to have them as options. Not looking forward to the day when we have to run RT/PT and whatever else they come up with and in order to do so we have to upscale from 480p to 4K using DLSS7/FSR7.

 

[ChosenName]

Then with the 9070 release there seems to be lots of excitement about AMD's improved RT performance. Which strikes me as an odd thing to get excited about if you're just going to turn it off.

The excitement may stem from the benefits to the next generation of consoles that will probably use AMD APUs again - if RT becomes a viable and desirable option for console games then it will feature in PC versions of games developed for console.

 

[welshrat]

I keep thinking the same about RT.
Lots of talk of just turning it off, it not adding anything, just looking worse, etc.
Then with the 9070 release there seems to be lots of excitement about AMD's improved RT performance. Which strikes me as an odd thing to get excited about if you're just going to turn it off.
And I know there are now 2(?) games that you can't turn it off in (1 of which I think people might play) and I suppose people can't just not buy a game these days. Maybe it's a sign of things to come, but did we not see this coming before?

RT and upscaling are not something I use much, so I don't really have an opinion on them myself. I guess it's nice to have them as options. Not looking forward to the day when we have to run RT/PT and whatever else they come up with and in order to do so we have to upscale from 480p to 4K using DLSS7/FSR7.

To be honest from my perspective it's about having a card that works well with the upcoming engines where RT is baked in like unreal 5.

I don't turn it on and am unlikely to do so unless the performance penalty is small, however, it is now starting to become something that is used by devs and I understand why as they don't have to spend all that time with baked lighting.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I agree if the 5070ti was £570-£630. but it's not. £165 difference is a fair amount

What about £963?

 

[Boomstick777]

What about £963?

Mine was £938.99

 

[Copesman]

To be honest from my perspective it's about having a card that works well with the upcoming engines where RT is baked in like unreal 5.

I don't turn it on and am unlikely to do so unless the performance penalty is small, however, it is now starting to become something that is used by devs and I understand why as they don't have to spend all that time with baked lighting.

I agree that the reason I'm happy to go down the RT route because in a few years the 7900xtx will be like the 8gb cards today and just not being able to supply playable frames. I have used my 1080 for ten years because it was the right card with the right feature set to last this long. The navi 48 is the first time in a long while I think amd has a cards that will still be able to be used in a computer in 5 year time with all features enabled. I think the next gen consoles might turn the tide even more for AMD because of fsr4 will be baked into the code. dlss will take extra coding.

 

[TNA]

The issue with Cyberpunk is that their native TAA absolutely sucks and has always sucked. It's not hard to look better than native in that game because the native TAA is such a low bar.

Yep. That's the whole point. If you don't use TAA then what do you use? Nothing and get jaggies galore or something better and absolutely tank performance?

Just use upscaling. Looks better and performs better. Simples

Mine was £938.99

Bwahahaha. Ahh boomy

 

[TNA]

I keep thinking the same about RT.
Lots of talk of just turning it off, it not adding anything, just looking worse, etc.
Then with the 9070 release there seems to be lots of excitement about AMD's improved RT performance. Which strikes me as an odd thing to get excited about if you're just going to turn it off.
And I know there are now 2(?) games that you can't turn it off in (1 of which I think people might play) and I suppose people can't just not buy a game these days. Maybe it's a sign of things to come, but did we not see this coming before?

Me and nexus predicted this would happen years ago

 

[Craig_d1]

What display is that? Looks bonkers!

It's LG 48C4. It's great for working on, etc, have multiple windows. Playing games on it I need to sit back a bit. Fast moving games can make me feel a bit dizzy being too close but am getting used to it (my boys have no issue). At home home use a 42" older LGC2 which I prefer, but couldn't get the 42" here(they don't stock it), so got one back home during sales and will bring it back here when i go home for Easter. This will end up going in bedroom and hooking up XSX for when family come for holidays etc. i can be with my wife while the kids can then have xsx and pc each, rather than fighting over who's playing on the single screen. We use dual 43" screen at work and can't go smaller now, which is what I eventually want to replicate as can wfh a day a week (why i got the sapphire as dual hdmi output)
I mainly play single player games or co op with my sons or friends rather than 1st person shooter online, so having a 240/360hz screen not really too relevant for me. This goes 144hz which is more than enough. I don't think the 9070xt will be pushing that anyway at 4k anyway with the eye candy on. What i can't do is go back to lcd etc//need oled for instant response and pure b

 

[Craig_d1]

I think a new build is called for that 9800x3d just let your son pick a case and help
him transplant all the old stuff that what I did with my Ryzen 4 when I upgraded to Ryzen 5 enjoy.

I got a phanteks Nv5 at home home from a fellow OCuk forum member waiting for the build, (Just needed a mobo/cpu/ram and wasn't sure if give my son my 7800x3d combo or just go with a 7600/7600x/7700/9600x etc. 7090xt/9800x3d combo pretty much decided for me). I would pro prefer the nv5 here tbh..looks like it has proper dust filters which is a problem here. 011d evo doesn't seem to keep the dust out that well. just lugging the whole pc 4000 miles and lugging back the nv5 case feels like a lot of aggro to me

 

[Craig_d1]

I mean, it is true that it is objectively the better card.

yes its only marginally faster in raster, but it IS decently faster in RT, and appears to be less power hungry.

So if the 5070ti is cheaper from an actual retailer where you will get consumer rights and warranty, buying a more expensive 9070 XT from a private seller on ebay is totally nuts.

I just dont understand who these people are. I would have thought to have even be looking at the 9070 XT over the last few days you must have some sort of knowledge of what it is and GPUs in general. So why would anyone do it?

might be scalper buying from scalper to make it look like demand is there. wouldn't put it past them to collude

 

[gpuerrilla]

Mine was £938.99

I mean ehh yeah that £938.99

 

[welshrat]

It's LG 48C4. It's great for working on, etc, have multiple windows. Playing games on it I need to sit back a bit. Fast moving games can make me feel a bit dizzy being too close but am getting used to it (my boys have no issue). At home home use a 42" older LGC2 which I prefer, but couldn't get the 42" here(they don't stock it), so got one back home during sales and will bring it back here when i go home for Easter. This will end up going in bedroom and hooking up XSX for when family come for holidays etc. i can be with my wife while the kids can then have xsx and pc each, rather than fighting over who's playing on the single screen. We use dual 43" screen at work and can't go smaller now, which is what I eventually want to replicate as can wfh a day a week (why i got the sapphire as dual hdmi output)
I mainly play single player games or co op with my sons or friends rather than 1st person shooter online, so having a 240/360hz screen not really too relevant for me. This goes 144hz which is more than enough. I don't think the 9070xt will be pushing that anyway at 4k anyway with the eye candy on. What i can't do is go back to lcd etc//need oled for instant response and pure b

Do you use this a lot for general windows ? I have been looking at 43 inch 4k displays but will probably go VA LED again as I use mine extensively for work 5 days a week with visual studio, code, android studio or some other IDE and would seriously worry about burn in (I can't even stand 1 dead pixel)

 

[Craig_d1]

I just fact checked my comment and it was wrong, not 35% but 62%, "The 5070 Ti is 62% more efficient than the 9070 XT here, up at 0.73 FPS/W. This is not a good result for AMD."

The 9070 XT is far better value in terms of cost at RRP though, but I think the 5070 Ti at RRP is a good value as well., unfortunately we live in crazy times and nothing is MSRRP anymore.

I totally agree with you, if you're paying over the odds anyway, why not get scalped from a retailer and get the best card you can.

from vid, 9070xt pulse uses 314W(my nitro chugs 351W from chart)..according to TPU, the 5070ti uses 279W while gaming, so a pulse is only using 12% more power than the 5070ti...difference is fairly negligible for overall costs i think (though uk does have one of the highest electricity costs in the world now)

100% not disagreeing with you about the 5070ti being a better card. I think it is , but here I bought my nitro $475 cheaper than the cheapest 5070ti I could find that's available, and at the mo, the msrp are meaningless. At the time of purchase, the only metric you should be looking at is the cost of difference.

Just saw a yt'er saying that at £650 the 9070xt isn't worth it against a 5070ti at msrp????? so where are the 5070ti msrp cards? pointless statement seeing as you can't get a msrp 5070ti...cheapest 5070ti OCuk have in stock available at the mo is the Zotac super solid for £855...why would you pay that when the 9070xt was £569 to £700(for premuin model) depending on the card...basically between £286 to £158 cheaper. Realistically you should be looking at the msrp cards so £286 cheaper to £225 cheaper when they bumped the price up, as the super solid is meant more as a msrp card itself as opposed a more flagship such as a gaming trio/tuf/aorus master etc which are £1000 and also out of stock

now is a 5070ti which is realistically a few % ahead of the 9070xt worth a 30%+ premium at mo. for RT the 9070xt is more in line with the 5070 rather than 5070ti, so little behind, but fsr4 has squished the arguement for upscaling as it sits between dlss3 and dlss4 now from vids

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[humbug]

From X again..Guess which is FSR3.1, FSR4 and DLSS4 ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897726878552637717

EDIT: FSR4 is on the left and DLSS4t on the right.

The one in the middle is obviously bad but i'm not sure what to make of left vs right, the left is a little softer but i prefer it, the right looks good too but it also looks like it has a post processing sharpening filter over it.

IDK is that fair?

 

[Bidley]

The single reason I'm even remotely interested in FSR is for RT in CP2077

Get your modding boots on then - CDPR are incredibly unlikely to add support for it

 

[Craig_d1]

Do you use this a lot for general windows ? I have been looking at 43 inch 4k displays but will probably go VA LED again as I use mine extensively for work 5 days a week with visual studio, code, android studio or some other IDE and would seriously worry about burn in (I can't even stand 1 dead pixel)

That's my work setup with dual dell 43" ultrasharps..so when i wfh, have to cram that all onto the 1 screen at mo, which is a royal pain in the butt and not really doable, but as you can see all windows based, and a lot fairly static). I end up putting stuff on my laptop also. The C2 we got a couple of years ago and has no burn in. My son plays xbox on it with friends in the evening . My wife wfh 1 day a week or can do more and does accounts etc, so mainly spreadsheets, but I guess the evening gaming helps out with screen burn. The C4 i have here is 8 months old so too early to tell as use it more for windows than gaming at mo, but being alone, if not reading thru forum, do end up gaming a fair bit, be it pc or xbox. i can live with screen dimming as I'm moving windows around enough that I'm not too bothered by it. Also my c4 panel isn't the best and came with some vertical lines on it which can be seen on a grey background anyway(screen burn out the box, but i lost the will to send it back and change)...didn't have that on the 42"C2
if I was in your shoes, working from home 5 days a week I'd be buying 2 43" dell ultrasharps or equivalent like I have at work. They are better form my work. Steady bright screen with excellent clarity etc
I can live with my home setup as 1 day a week etc, and the c4 was more a 'jack of all trades'. Cost me £700 only compared to the £1k+ oled monitors available at time, which all seem to be 32" so too small, so gives me decent screen size, oled so pure black, hdr and instant response times, and can be used a tv also, as well as having my xsx plugged in also...and i live with the screen dimming for the 1 day of work (could have course buy one of those remotes and disable the screen dimming part, but I'm too lazy for that)

 

[gpuerrilla]

Just saw a yt'er saying that at £650 the 9070xt isn't worth it against a 5070ti at msrp????? so where are the 5070ti msrp cards? pointless statement seeing as you can't get a msrp 5070ti...cheapest 5070ti OCuk have in stock available at the mo is the Zotac super solid for £855...why would you pay that when the 9070xt was £569 to £700(for premuin model) depending on the card...basically between £286 to £158 cheaper. Realistically you should be looking at the msrp cards so £286 cheaper to £225 cheaper when they bumped the price up, as the super solid is meant more as a msrp card itself as opposed a more flagship such as a gaming trio/tuf/aorus master etc which are £1000 and also out of stock

now is a 5070ti which is realistically a few % ahead of the 9070xt worth a 30%+ premium at mo. for RT the 9070xt is more in line with the 5070 rather than 5070ti, so little behind, but fsr4 has squished the arguement for upscaling as it sits between dlss3 and dlss4 now from vids

I think the impression I get from this forum is the buyers are willing to stump up that difference for the extra features. It just looks less impressive now upscaling has narrowed and so too has RT. For now 30% premium seems to be about right, but it will narrow over time.

 

[Subliminal Aura]

What about £963?

... and mine was £970....

I don't don't consider any of us are stupid or mad

We purchased, maybe for a good use case, maybe for some RGB but I'm very happy with my purchase

 

[Ayahuasca]

Mine was £938.99

Jeezus, didn’t realise you were that bricked up.