FSR being good gives me a laugh as i remember when PSSR was announced certain people were smugly trolling with takes like "it takes Sony to teach amd how to do upscaling". So much for that theory.
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FSR being good gives me a laugh as i remember when PSSR was announced certain people were smugly trolling with takes like "it takes Sony to teach amd how to do upscaling". So much for that theory.
They added FSR3 months after 3.1 released. They clearly just didn't want people to use the decoupled frame gen with DLSS to try to funnel people into buying 40 series. Their FSR3 upscaling implementation is worse than the included FSR2. Disappointing to say the least.
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Glad to see Optiscaler working well for this. Had good experiences with it for frame gen but always looked naff when trying to inject FSR / XESS into DLSS only games (FF7R the most recent culprit).
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Where are all the people who were losing their minds at the end of Jan when AMD announced the March release?
This is an interesting point. Right now I have the 5080, while waiting for a 5090 at a price I like.
If AMD had released the 9070 XT in Jan, I would have bought it 100%, purely for the novelty. I think there's many people who have NVIDIA cards right now, who would have 9070 GPUs if they were available six weeks ago.
That's six weeks of 9070's being available (or pre-order or 'on the way Gibbo update' etc), a sensible alternative, while NVIDIA hit themselves in the nuts repeatedly
They were still wrong to delay, imo. Delay for what? FSR4 support in a few more games, that's nice but not why people are buying 9070's. 5 games would be enough to demonstrate they've caught up with DLSS 3, then you could have weeks of notifications 'FSR4 now added to Game X, Game Y, etc'
AMD talked a lot of crap about marketshare and strategy, etc. That was just to cover the fact that they happen to be significantly behind right now, in terms of outright performance. If they were serious about marketshare, we wouldn't have two tier 'MSRP' pricing, and there would be reference cards for both GPUs so AIBs couldn't get carried away. We would know if AMD were going for marketshare because it would be obvious.
I think they'll gain marketshare by default, NVIDIA seemed to have stopped producing consumer cards for a bit. So that's OK, I guess? Still disappointed overall.
If AMD had launched in jan then there would have been far less stock so chances are most people wouldn’t have got cards anyway, the scalping would have been much worse, prices would have inflated far higher and everyone would have been complaining about AMD rather than Nvidia.This is an interesting point. Right now I have the 5080, while waiting for a 5090 at a price I like.
If AMD had released the 9070 XT in Jan, I would have bought it 100%, purely for the novelty. I think there's many people who have NVIDIA cards right now, who would have 9070 GPUs if they were available six weeks ago.
That's six weeks of 9070's being available (or pre-order or 'on the way Gibbo update' etc), a sensible alternative, while NVIDIA hit themselves in the nuts repeatedly
They were still wrong to delay, imo. Delay for what? FSR4 support in a few more games, that's nice but not why people are buying 9070's. 5 games would be enough to demonstrate they've caught up with DLSS 3, then you could have weeks of notifications 'FSR4 now added to Game X, Game Y, etc'
AMD talked a lot of crap about marketshare and strategy, etc. That was just to cover the fact that they happen to be significantly behind right now, in terms of outright performance. If they were serious about marketshare, we wouldn't have two tier 'MSRP' pricing, and there would be reference cards for both GPUs so AIBs couldn't get carried away. We would know if AMD were going for marketshare because it would be obvious.
I think they'll gain marketshare by default, NVIDIA seemed to have stopped producing consumer cards for a bit. So that's OK, I guess? Still disappointed overall.
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I'm not sure, I think if AMD had released before Nvidia, many would have called it cute for getting marginally better than last years mid range Nvidia cards and wouldn't purchase anything until they knew what Nvidia release.
AMD cards are only flying off the shelves because Jenson got lazy, stopped innovating and is chucking out overpriced rubbish in very short supply (for the most part) and people are voting with their wallets, as performance, price and stock numbers look reasonable at AMD's end.
This is an interesting point. Right now I have the 5080, while waiting for a 5090 at a price I like.
If AMD had released the 9070 XT in Jan, I would have bought it 100%, purely for the novelty. I think there's many people who have NVIDIA cards right now, who would have 9070 GPUs if they were available six weeks ago.
That's six weeks of 9070's being available (or pre-order or 'on the way Gibbo update' etc), a sensible alternative, while NVIDIA hit themselves in the nuts repeatedly
They were still wrong to delay, imo. Delay for what? FSR4 support in a few more games, that's nice but not why people are buying 9070's. 5 games would be enough to demonstrate they've caught up with DLSS 3, then you could have weeks of notifications 'FSR4 now added to Game X, Game Y, etc'
AMD talked a lot of crap about marketshare and strategy, etc. That was just to cover the fact that they happen to be significantly behind right now, in terms of outright performance. If they were serious about marketshare, we wouldn't have two tier 'MSRP' pricing, and there would be reference cards for both GPUs so AIBs couldn't get carried away. We would know if AMD were going for marketshare because it would be obvious.
I think they'll gain marketshare by default, NVIDIA seemed to have stopped producing consumer cards for a bit. So that's OK, I guess? Still disappointed overall.
AMD launched only 3 weeks after the 5070Ti went on sale. Not a huge difference and due to the limited amount of 5070TI's at scalped prices, most people who wanted to buy have gone for an AMD card instead.
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I wonder what the quality on camera pans is really like. Looks not that great right now but I bet it's the FG doing it, just not sure how much. Wish he did it with FG off.
I wonder how long it will take for the non XT at least to back to MSRP.
Still in stock at £600 and not shifting, and the peak hype, demand and buzz is gone and will only get lower. The non XT in Particular looks like it needs to go back to nearer £500 to shift in decent numbers as the months go on.
Amusing to see some people trying to scalp the non XT as well
Still in stock at £600 and not shifting, and the peak hype, demand and buzz is gone and will only get lower. The non XT in Particular looks like it needs to go back to nearer £500 to shift in decent numbers as the months go on.
Amusing to see some people trying to scalp the non XT as well
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AMD FSR 4 Confirmed to Have Been Co-Developed with Sony
The AMD FSR 4 AI model has been co-developed with Sony as part of Project Amethyst. The confirmation came from AMD itself.
FSR is the future guys. If true most new releases will have it baked into the code going forward.
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Yes I like it too. The backplate looks really nice, and I like the hidden cable too. £670 and I would bite I think. Hopefully in a month or so we'll get there. Not a big fan of his jerky camera moves though. Bourne this is not
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This is an interesting point. Right now I have the 5080, while waiting for a 5090 at a price I like.
If AMD had released the 9070 XT in Jan, I would have bought it 100%, purely for the novelty. I think there's many people who have NVIDIA cards right now, who would have 9070 GPUs if they were available six weeks ago.
That's six weeks of 9070's being available (or pre-order or 'on the way Gibbo update' etc), a sensible alternative, while NVIDIA hit themselves in the nuts repeatedly
They were still wrong to delay, imo. Delay for what? FSR4 support in a few more games, that's nice but not why people are buying 9070's. 5 games would be enough to demonstrate they've caught up with DLSS 3, then you could have weeks of notifications 'FSR4 now added to Game X, Game Y, etc'
AMD talked a lot of crap about marketshare and strategy, etc. That was just to cover the fact that they happen to be significantly behind right now, in terms of outright performance. If they were serious about marketshare, we wouldn't have two tier 'MSRP' pricing, and there would be reference cards for both GPUs so AIBs couldn't get carried away. We would know if AMD were going for marketshare because it would be obvious.
I think they'll gain marketshare by default, NVIDIA seemed to have stopped producing consumer cards for a bit. So that's OK, I guess? Still disappointed overall.
Interesting and of course valid perspective. I felt strongly that AMD should have launched early and been compared to last gen 4000 series. Ironically the 5000 series is such a poor improvement over the 4000 series, that AMD technically ARE being compared to GPUs no better than last gen 4000 series.
Now in hindsight I think AMD were absolutely spot on to wait, because the 5000 series reviewed almost universally poorly and the multitude of lies, technical problems, **** poor stock, scalping and arrogance has seriously eroded Nvidia’s mindshare. AMD had to just sit back and watch the slow motion Nvidia car crash.
The coming months will be where the final analysis will be made on market share. All indications are that AMD are producing a lot more gamer GPUs than Nvidia are. So by default if demand is still high, then AMD will (as you say) increase market share by default. Even if they are priced 10% above the “fake” MSRP.
I mean you are typical of the mindshare erosion. You wanted a 5090 but couldn’t/wouldn’t, so you bought an overpriced 4080 Super plus… er I mean 5080 as a stopgap and now you are saying you would have considered a 9070 XT had they been available.
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I have a 3080. So looking at ~38% gain raster wise at 4K with a 9070XT.
But as someone else pointed out, that in effect gives you native FPS at 4K equivalent to the same FPS at 4K on the 3080 with DLSS. (The main game I’m invested in at present doesn’t support FSR but does do DLSS).
Playing with DLSS on last night and thinking the game (BF2042) looks & plays stunning, I honestly can’t get to a point where the above ‘gain - ie native’ can justify spending £6-700.
The 5070 Ti on the other hand would give more FPS and have DLSS which in this game would be a nice boost. I’m not willing to pay £850-900 for that though either at the moment.
So waiting it is. Either for something faster from AMD or a cheaper 5070Ti/5080.
I last had AMD with 2 x 280 or 285 (can’t quite remember now) in cross fire. Ironically to play whatever battlefield game at the time! CPU wise , I’ve just upgraded to a 9800X3D which is great, but under utilised with my 3080 I expect.
But as someone else pointed out, that in effect gives you native FPS at 4K equivalent to the same FPS at 4K on the 3080 with DLSS. (The main game I’m invested in at present doesn’t support FSR but does do DLSS).
Playing with DLSS on last night and thinking the game (BF2042) looks & plays stunning, I honestly can’t get to a point where the above ‘gain - ie native’ can justify spending £6-700.
The 5070 Ti on the other hand would give more FPS and have DLSS which in this game would be a nice boost. I’m not willing to pay £850-900 for that though either at the moment.
So waiting it is. Either for something faster from AMD or a cheaper 5070Ti/5080.
I last had AMD with 2 x 280 or 285 (can’t quite remember now) in cross fire. Ironically to play whatever battlefield game at the time! CPU wise , I’ve just upgraded to a 9800X3D which is great, but under utilised with my 3080 I expect.
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You should be able to sell the 3080 for around £300 so an msrp 9070XT would be a good buy imo.
This guy is normally very good but his take on VRAM overclocking is an epic fail. The VRAM has error correction to prevent crashes. So high clocks cause instability and the GPU compensates by reducing the actual performance.
The way to OC VRAM is to keep going until your performance actually regresses, then reduce the OC slightly for extra stability. Keep your VRAM out of the error correction state.
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Its very disappointing and indicative of the current market that after 4.5 year a similar outlay on a GPU only nets you 40% extra performance and is even considered good.
Back when the 3080/6800XT launched you were getting 130% gains for a similar outlay over a 4 year old card.