*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[ICDP]

Its very disappointing and indicative of the current market that after 4.5 year a similar outlay on a GPU only nets you 40% extra performance and is even considered good.

Back when the 3080/6800XT launched you were getting 130% gains for a similar outlay over a 4 year old card.

You are looking at it from a performance only perspective.

It works out about 55% better and an additional 60% more VRAM when we consider MSRP (ignoring fake MSRP for both). Not amazing but certainly not terrible and not as bad as many of you are trying to imply.

I’m not defending AMD here, just pointing out all the relevant variables. I say this as a former 3080 owner who got mine for MSRP.

 

[BS Dave]

All the games I'm looking to play - GoT, LofUS 1and2, space marine 2, horizon Zero Dawn 1 and 2 all play great on this card, and now FSR4 can be injected Cyberpunk too (all be it with not all the bells and whistles) so I'll be getting on as soon as that nitro+ has a deal on. Plus I'm looking to move away from team green for a bit. It will mean I need to upgrade my OG G-sync screen with module - that's the only downside as the range goes down to 30

 

[Tythus]

I have a 3080. So looking at ~38% gain raster wise at 4K with a 9070XT.
But as someone else pointed out, that in effect gives you native FPS at 4K equivalent to the same FPS at 4K on the 3080 with DLSS. (The main game I’m invested in at present doesn’t support FSR but does do DLSS).

Playing with DLSS on last night and thinking the game (BF2042) looks & plays stunning, I honestly can’t get to a point where the above ‘gain - ie native’ can justify spending £6-700.

The 5070 Ti on the other hand would give more FPS and have DLSS which in this game would be a nice boost. I’m not willing to pay £850-900 for that though either at the moment.

So waiting it is. Either for something faster from AMD or a cheaper 5070Ti/5080.

I last had AMD with 2 x 280 or 285 (can’t quite remember now) in cross fire. Ironically to play whatever battlefield game at the time! CPU wise , I’ve just upgraded to a 9800X3D which is great, but under utilised with my 3080 I expect.

take a look at OptiScaler it might make you a but happier about FSR4

 

[Case1987]

Managed to get £550 for the 7900XT I paid £380 for,so even at £630 i will only be paying £460 for the 7090XT when it's back in stock

 

[Copesman]

I have just been looking at the reviews for the 9700 xt nitro and had the chance launch day for 1 at 720. However my 5070ti is on pre order at 770 so I did not bite. If it was 670 I would buy it. if I can get a black base model for 620 I will and cancel the 5070ti. I hope AMD get cards out before end of April when the 5070ti is due that would be my first AMD card since my 280.

 

[fs123]

I have just been looking at the reviews for the 9700 xt nitro and had the chance launch day for 1 at 720. However my 5070ti is on pre order at 770 so I did not bite. If it was 670 I would buy it. if I can get a black base model for 620 I will and cancel the 5070ti. I hope AMD get cards out before end of April when the 5070ti is due that would be my first AMD card since my 280.

Keep an eye on stock trackers. There was a 9070XT Nitro pre-order open for £684.99 yesterday but not on OCUK sadly. I reckon prices should come down a bit over the next 3-4 weeks.

 

[Tejstar]

Yes I like it too. The backplate looks really nice, and I like the hidden cable too. £670 and I would bite I think. Hopefully in a month or so we'll get there. Not a big fan of his jerky camera moves though. Bourne this is not

I have just been looking at the reviews for the 9700 xt nitro and had the chance launch day for 1 at 720. However my 5070ti is on pre order at 770 so I did not bite. If it was 670 I would buy it. if I can get a black base model for 620 I will and cancel the 5070ti. I hope AMD get cards out before end of April when the 5070ti is due that would be my first AMD card since my 280.

Nitro 9070 XT looks like the direction I'm going too. Have put in a pre-order at another retailer for £685, which seems reasonable to me. Stock not due until April though.

 

[fs123]

Nitro 9070 XT looks like the direction I'm going too. Have put in a pre-order at another retailer for £685, which seems reasonable to me. Stock not due until April though.

I wonder if OCUK would price match that . I ordered from that same place yesterday but will cancel if I get something cheaper from here next week.

 

[Copesman]

I will just see if they come into stock at that if not Nvidia it is I can't afford to tie up another 730 after already put up 780 in delivery for the 5070ti. I need to card by end of April for my son's birthday

 

[Copesman]

I will just see if they come into stock at that if not Nvidia it is I can't afford to tie up another 730 after already put up 780 inc delivery for the 5070ti. I need the card by end of April for my son's birthday. The 5070ti was in stock yesterday here at 850 so by next month would be able to get him that if the pre order is late.

 

[Tejstar]

I wonder if OCUK would price match that . I ordered from that same place yesterday but will cancel if I get something cheaper from here next week.

Yep, tbh I would have ordered from OCUK at even £700 if they had stock next week. With OCUK pushing it to £720 takes it over my price barrier.

 

[Copesman]

Yep, tbh I would have ordered from OCUK at even £700 if they had stock next week. With OCUK pushing it to £720 takes it over my price barrier.

I agree if in the 6xx I would have probably just ordered it. My guess is they will be that in 3 months time

 

[fs123]

Yep, tbh I would have ordered from OCUK at even £700 if they had stock next week. With OCUK pushing it to £720 takes it over my price barrier.

Nearly all the retailers are scalping at the moment. Even at £700, the 9070XT is expensive compared to AMD's msrp. People should have some self control and not entertain these prices. AMD is not the one with the fake msrp like retailers try to make out.

 

[Jono8]

Managed to get £550 for the 7900XT I paid £380 for,so even at £630 i will only be paying £460 for the 7090XT when it's back in stock

Mad that someone is willing to pay £550 for something you can get new for £630 with a free game.

Honestly, I think a lot of the pc gaming market have numeracy problems.

 

[Craig_d1]

Well installed the nitro today, and got round to swapping fans and putting in right order. I was a little nervous about the nitro looks (wasn't sure on colour of card), but in the flesh looks awesome, and the hidden cable is genius, it really makes a difference not having 2 pcie cable plugging into the dongle sticking out the front and dangling down...gives such a clean look, very monolithic. Coming from a 3070tife, it makes the nvidia card look laughably small...god know what a 4090/5090 would be like . the anitsag bracket is clean looking(thought of blends away, though not entirely sure it's needed)
haven't played around too much, but loaded up Indy Jones/flight sim/control/ briefly to have a look....with indy I was basically running 1440 upscale dlss and now 4k native, but before i had textures etc on low..now they're max...I can't believe I've been missing this for so long...the difference in look is staggering...flick to flight sim and did a bit of flying in Dune and again, the detail, the landing pad was smooth before, now it's textured(I didn't think it would make a difference, but the extra detail really is noticeable)...guess this is 8gb vram to 16gb kicking in doing it's thing
anyway, early days, but so far very happy with it, no matter what, it's still a massive improvement over the 3070ti (well for me) on my limited use, and I'm not regretting my decision. Certainly a lot cheaper than a 5070ti for me

 

[humbug]

This guy is normally very good but his take on VRAM overclocking is an epic fail. The VRAM has error correction to prevent crashes. So high clocks cause instability and the GPU compensates by reducing the actual performance.

The way to OC VRAM is to keep going until your performance actually regresses, then reduce the OC slightly for extra stability. Keep your VRAM out of the error correction state.

This is nothing new, Nvidia started that trend with the 30 series... i'm surprised he doesn't understand this.

 

[humbug]

Well installed the nitro today, and got round to swapping fans and putting in right order. I was a little nervous about the nitro looks (wasn't sure on colour of card), but in the flesh looks awesome, and the hidden cable is genius, it really makes a difference not having 2 pcie cable plugging into the dongle sticking out the front and dangling down...gives such a clean look, very monolithic. Coming from a 3070tife, it makes the nvidia card look laughably small...god know what a 4090/5090 would be like . the anitsag bracket is clean looking(thought of blends away, though not entirely sure it's needed)
haven't played around too much, but loaded up Indy Jones/flight sim/control/ briefly to have a look....with indy I was basically running 1440 upscale dlss and now 4k native, but before i had textures etc on low..now they're max...I can't believe I've been missing this for so long...the difference in look is staggering...flick to flight sim and did a bit of flying in Dune and again, the detail, the landing pad was smooth before, now it's textured(I didn't think it would make a difference, but the extra detail really is noticeable)...guess this is 8gb vram to 16gb kicking in doing it's thing
anyway, early days, but so far very happy with it, no matter what, it's still a massive improvement over the 3070ti (well for me) on my limited use, and I'm not regretting my decision. Certainly a lot cheaper than a 5070ti for me

The 3070 looks adorable next to the nitro...

 

[Tinek]

This is nothing new, Nvidia started that trend with the 30 series... i'm surprised he doesn't understand this.

Doesn't that only apply to vRAM which actually has ecc enabled? I know some previous generation series had ecc, but then GPU makers started to reserve it again just for pro cards, so it's possible none of the new GPUs have that on and then stability (and visible errors) could be the sign again. I know my 4090 by default has it turned off as it's slowing down vRAM somewhat when it's on and has to be turned on in drivers to work.

 

[Dicehunter]

Nice, I'll be getting the same card in a few months once stock improves and prices stabilise.

 

[humbug]

Doesn't that only apply to vRAM which actually has ecc enabled? I know some previous generation series had ecc, but then GPU makers started to reserve it again just for pro cards, so it's possible none of the new GPUs have that on and then stability (and visible errors) could be the sign again. I know my 4090 by default has it turned off as it's slowing down vRAM somewhat when it's on and has to be turned on in drivers to work.

It sounds like it, you shouldn't just be able to keep clocking it, if you can its probably got error correction, especially if there is a reduction in performance from high clocking.

AMD may have specified ECC VRam for the same reason they have started advertising TOPs, they are trying to broaden the appeal to compute / workstation users, ECC will help with that.

Also, i really hate intellectual dishonesty for the sake of a stupid face on a youtube thumbnail, people like this are prostituting thier self respect.