*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[welshrat]

FSR 3 quality is fine. I honestly can't tell the difference at 1440p with it enabled. Lower yes but not quality. Have to say though ps5 pro pssr really is good despite some of the the teething issues that have arisen in early dev. Looking forward to see something similar in RDNA 4

 

[Phixsator]

The AMD marketing and influencers are doing overtime at the moment.

I better send a note to AMD so I can get paid then

I looked at the two, and found DLSS to be better, but FSR was far from useless. Had it on F1 2022, and the more I had to upscale, the worse rain looked on FSR. At highest performance levels (ie greatest level of upscaling) , it was really off putting.

However, if you were using FSR quality, very little in it.

I think that sums it up pretty much.

 

[fraps]

Are the 8000 series still going to use GDDR6?

 

[FredFlint]

Are the 8000 series still going to use GDDR6?

Good question, hopefully GDDR7 but probably 6 as it will be cheaper and available in volume.

 

[humbug]

Most likely GDDR6

 

[fraps]

A pity, but doesn’t seem like the end of the world considering there’s no higher tier cards coming out.

 

[TNA]

The last time I tried FSR was Resident Evil 4. That was a AMD sponsored game and DLSS which a guy modded to enable was night and day better.

 

[TNA]

Its less than that now, against £1000 4080, the 7900 XT is £600 against £800 4070 Ti, my 7800 XT with a few tweaks is just as fast as a 4070 Ti, its £450.

None of these GPU's are selling, now what?

They won't sell now, too late. ShouId have priced it at that price on launch, would have sold loads.

Oh and I can tweak my 4070 Ti also. I have 5 profiles for it on afterburner actually. Doubt you can match it. Only thing your card has going for it over my 4070 Ti is the extra vram.

 

[tommybhoy]

Just longevity then?

 

[GhostDog1981]

I never saw much discernible difference with DLSS vs FSR and I’ve had both vendors cards.

I think it is mainly tribalism that keeps Nvidia and AMD where they are in the market.

 

[sx_turbo]

And yet most people haven’t a clue outside tech forums. Go to a gaming forum on Steam and ALL the posts are about the gameplay and almost nothing about upscaling or RT.

The vast majority are still using 3 or 4 gen old GPUs FFS. They can’t even use DLSS or RT let alone understand what they do.

The reason for AMD losing market share is not technological, it’s marketing.

No viable option low to mid range for OEMs kills them more than all the 4090s sold. Because the vast majority of gaming PCs sold are prebuilds and gaming laptops and Nvidia have market dominance there.

How conceited are tech savvy enthusiasts to assume they are the norm? The vast majority are not buying £500 GPUs, let alone creaming themselves at the prospect of an £1800 4090 or a £2000+ 5090.

Agree with this, most prebuilds that meet the budget of the average consumer allowance offer 4060 as the base level GPU, switching to a Radeon product needs to be done manually or isn't an option.

Part of this reason is AMD (with this current gen) scalped consumers by making their cards a tier higher than they should have been. A 7600 doesn't really compete with a 4060, and the price difference isn't enough, people know the 4060 is faster and that's all they need to know, had the 7700 been labelled the 7600 more prebuilds 'might' have the Radeon as the default choice but I highly doubt it, the reason being the average "gaming" consumer, which lets be honest is majority teenagers only knows of Nvidia being the best. And they havnt heard of AMD

Example, my colleague at work is looking at upgrading his son's pc for Xmas, it has an 11th gen intel, and is currently still rocking a 980ti, his son has asked for a 4060ti, I said have you looked at AMD as an option, he asked who's AMD?

Anyway after I scouted around, the price of the 4060ti and the 7700xt were very similar and the performance is pretty much the same also, certainly at 1080p which his kid needs.

With the pricing so similar you wouldn't choose the AMD card over Nvidia, and the next tier up is a chunk of money more

 

[sx_turbo]

Who else is expecting to be hugely underwhelmed with the launch of 8800xt, I highly doubt it will provide 4080 performance

 

[TNA]

Just longevity then?

Why does that matter to you or I? Do we not get one or more cards per gen? Did you miss my post of GPU's i have owned?

Rather have the better updcaling, FrameGen tech, RT, efficiency etc.

People even laughed when I was on a 3070 for a while. Guess what, sold it before vram became a major issue.

 

[TNA]

I never saw much discernible difference with DLSS vs FSR and I’ve had both vendors cards.

I think it is mainly tribalism that keeps Nvidia and AMD where they are in the market.

Day and night difference. No need for screenshot or anything. Unless that changed this year that is how it has been every time a new game i tested. In the end I just gave up.

 

[TNA]

Who else is expecting to be hugely underwhelmed with the launch of 8800xt, I highly doubt it will provide 4080 performance

I am hoping it will do well, but based on many launches now expect it won't be.

They will either end up with low performance (7900xt or less).
High price for what it is.
Driver issue that gets resolved a month after release, but damage done by then.
High power usage.

They almost always seem to **** it up at launch.

Fingers crossed they get it right.

 

[ICDP]

Who else is expecting to be hugely underwhelmed with the launch of 8800xt, I highly doubt it will provide 4080 performance

How much do you expect it to miss by?

In raster a 4080 is about 35% - 40% faster than the current 7800 XT. So a typical node increase and generational increase will make around 4080 raster performance achievable.

It’s the RT that’s in doubt. AMD claim up to 45% faster than a 7900 XTX in RT and that’s where my doubts lie.

My expectations are abound 10% slower than a 4080 in raster and RT. So about 10% faster than a 4070Ti. So still good if the price is £550 or less (preferably £500 or less), because the 4070Ti is still a ~£750 - £800+ GPU.

 

[JediFragger]

Who else is expecting to be hugely underwhelmed with the launch of 8800xt, I highly doubt it will provide 4080 performance

I can't see it myself either, but I'd be very happy to be proven wrong!! Pricing might be another issue from AMD...

 

[welshrat]

Agree with this, most prebuilds that meet the budget of the average consumer allowance offer 4060 as the base level GPU, switching to a Radeon product needs to be done manually or isn't an option.

Part of this reason is AMD (with this current gen) scalped consumers by making their cards a tier higher than they should have been. A 7600 doesn't really compete with a 4060, and the price difference isn't enough, people know the 4060 is faster and that's all they need to know, had the 7700 been labelled the 7600 more prebuilds 'might' have the Radeon as the default choice but I highly doubt it, the reason being the average "gaming" consumer, which lets be honest is majority teenagers only knows of Nvidia being the best. And they havnt heard of AMD

Example, my colleague at work is looking at upgrading his son's pc for Xmas, it has an 11th gen intel, and is currently still rocking a 980ti, his son has asked for a 4060ti, I said have you looked at AMD as an option, he asked who's AMD?

Anyway after I scouted around, the price of the 4060ti and the 7700xt were very similar and the performance is pretty much the same also, certainly at 1080p which his kid needs.

With the pricing so similar you wouldn't choose the AMD card over Nvidia, and the next tier up is a chunk of money more

Sadly in this situation though that 8gb of ram will bite soon if not straight away. 12gb fine and in all honesty the 4060 non ti would have been a better buy had her insisted on sticking with Nvidia. Bought a 7700xt for my son this Xmas due to ram issues on his 8gb card.

 

[McPhee]

Who else is expecting to be hugely underwhelmed with the launch of 8800xt, I highly doubt it will provide 4080 performance

It will be hugely disappointing if they can't deliver that, given the relative performance of the 7700 XT and 7800 XT against Nvidia's 3000-series cards (and 6700/6700 XT/6750 XT/6800/6800 XT vs Nvidia's 2000-series).

What I would really like to see is a generational leap in the performance of low-end cards. This part of the market has been stagnant for years now, with the current generation only offering meagre improvements over the previous generation. And in spite of all of the fanfare around the B580, I don't think Intel have moved this market segment forward in any meaningful way either.

 

[Poneros]

Who else is expecting to be hugely underwhelmed with the launch of 8800xt, I highly doubt it will provide 4080 performance

I was underwhelmed (and that's putting it lightly) by RDNA 3. With RDNA 4 it's simply expected.