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*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

How much do you expect it to miss by?

In raster a 4080 is about 35% - 40% faster than the current 7800 XT. So a typical node increase and generational increase will make around 4080 raster performance achievable.

It’s the RT that’s in doubt. AMD claim up to 45% faster than a 7900 XTX in RT and that’s where my doubts lie.

My expectations are abound 10% slower than a 4080 in raster and RT. So about 10% faster than a 4070Ti. So still good if the price is £550 or less (preferably £500 or less), because the 4070Ti is still a ~£750 - £800+ GPU.
I believe we'll only get 7900xt level performance, with 4070ti level RT at most.

But most likely we'll end up with 7900gre raster and 4070 RT.

Pricing I'm expecting to be same launch price as 7800xt.

I'm not boarding the hype train.

I still firmly believe that AMD pushed all their cards a tier up from where they should have been,
 
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How much do you expect it to miss by?

In raster a 4080 is about 35% - 40% faster than the current 7800 XT. So a typical node increase and generational increase will make around 4080 raster performance achievable.

It’s the RT that’s in doubt. AMD claim up to 45% faster than a 7900 XTX in RT and that’s where my doubts lie.

My expectations are abound 10% slower than a 4080 in raster and RT. So about 10% faster than a 4070Ti. So still good if the price is £550 or less (preferably £500 or less), because the 4070Ti is still a ~£750 - £800+ GPU.

At this stage I would prepare for the worst and hope for the best! What they can deliver on (as they know where it really sits against other cards) is the price. My gut feeling is on launch they go for a 7900XT pretending its a revelation and the +30% charts but shoot themselves by declaring the £799. This will get a bit of a pounding and they will taper down the price over time till its £599 - you know the price it should be at the get go...
 
It will be hugely disappointing if they can't deliver that, given the relative performance of the 7700 XT and 7800 XT against Nvidia's 3000-series cards (and 6700/6700 XT/6750 XT/6800/6800 XT vs Nvidia's 2000-series).

What I would really like to see is a generational leap in the performance of low-end cards. This part of the market has been stagnant for years now, with the current generation only offering meagre improvements over the previous generation. And in spite of all of the fanfare around the B580, I don't think Intel have moved this market segment forward in any meaningful way either.

Agree the fanfare behind the intel b580 is unwarranted,

Keeping in mind it only just competes with this gen, it's highly doubtful it will be competing with the next gen.

Also the intel naming seems out of whack to me I don't understand it lol, with Nvidia and AMD I understand the naming conventions, but I maybe just thick.
 
It will be hugely disappointing if they can't deliver that, given the relative performance of the 7700 XT and 7800 XT against Nvidia's 3000-series cards (and 6700/6700 XT/6750 XT/6800/6800 XT vs Nvidia's 2000-series).

What I would really like to see is a generational leap in the performance of low-end cards. This part of the market has been stagnant for years now, with the current generation only offering meagre improvements over the previous generation. And in spite of all of the fanfare around the B580, I don't think Intel have moved this market segment forward in any meaningful way either.

Yeah this is the area that needs some effort. If they can truly "double" the ray tracing and offer some kind of AI driven chips to dlss-esque then it might get some warmth.
 
I believe we'll only get 7900xt level performance, with 4070ti level RT at most.

But most likely we'll end up with 7900gre raster and 4070 RT.

Pricing I'm expecting to be same launch price as 7800xt.

I'm not boarding the hype train.

I still firmly believe that AMD pushed all their cards a tier up from where they should have been,
I mean at the end of the day it's guess since AMD's architecture isn't the same as Nvidia's. The 7900XT outperforms a 4070Ti in raster, there's no reason why if they brought their RT performance up to scratch in line with their raster advantage, it wouldn't also outperform a 4070Ti. Afterall, a 7900XT is only around ~20% behind a 4070Ti in RT performance on average. If the rumoured 45% faster RT is true, it'll be significantly past that.
 
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The excitement around the Intel B580, is mainly just relief around having something not terrible at budget/mainstream budgets and finally having decent improvement in price-to-performance. Say what we like, we can't deny that the B580 is the current best for price-to-performance ratio (at least within the mainstream budget segment).

And price-to-performance is what folks want (even if for faster/higher level cards), except for the masses who don't care about price and buy Nvidia regardless of whether the performance is better or worse than last gen. I recall around the launch of the 4060, there were instances where the 3060(/ti) were beating it. That shouldn't be the case that the old gen part beats the new one.

The 7800XT itself was barely better than the 6800XT and the only reason it seems to be a decent card this gen, was due to the 6800XT launching with much higher RRP and launching around the time of the GPU shortage. By comparison of launches, 7800XT looks like a bargain, even if the actual performance was barely better than last gen. Price is critical to how AMD does or doesn't mess up their RX 8000 series launch. Regardless of whether the 8800XT is a 5% better raster than 7800XT or equivalent to 4080, if the 8800XT is priced higher than £500... it's a failure in most folk's books. I have a feeling, that as usual, it'll probably get down to a decent price a few months after launch. But only time will tell for sure, whether any of us are correct with such speculation/predictions or not.
 
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At this stage I would prepare for the worst and hope for the best! What they can deliver on (as they know where it really sits against other cards) is the price. My gut feeling is on launch they go for a 7900XT pretending its a revelation and the +30% charts but shoot themselves by declaring the £799. This will get a bit of a pounding and they will taper down the price over time till its £599 - you know the price it should be at the get go...

I think at worst in raster it will be 7900XT and for RT about 4070 S, this would not be terrible if it was £450 - £475. Or about the price the 7800 XT released at. I don’t think even AMD are so monumentally stupid enough to try and bump the price to £799 and call it a 7900 XT or XTX replacement.
 
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I think they need to use the 8800XT to gain some market share before their UDNA lineup gets launched.

Will they? No idea. They were once pretty much written off in the CPU segment but then Ryzen turned that around and so anything is possible from them IMO.
Yeah who knows. It's not as though they need that kind of turnaround either. I imagine they would be happy with a 20-30% share.
 
That's also believed to have been the case for nvidia

I don't think so, I agree the 4070 ti should always have been that and they shouldn't have tried calling it a 4080.

AMD saw an opportunity to make bigger profits after they see Nvidia GPU prices, the 7800xt should have been the 7700xt, the 7700xt should have been just 7700.

The 7900gre should have been the 7800 etc etc.

But this is just my opinion and this I am spouting nonsense
 
At this stage I would prepare for the worst and hope for the best! What they can deliver on (as they know where it really sits against other cards) is the price. My gut feeling is on launch they go for a 7900XT pretending its a revelation and the +30% charts but shoot themselves by declaring the £799. This will get a bit of a pounding and they will taper down the price over time till its £599 - you know the price it should be at the get go...

Yep, it will be a repeat of this generation, we will hit £599 just as they are phasing it out for the the 9000 series.
 
I believe we'll only get 7900xt level performance, with 4070ti level RT at most.

But most likely we'll end up with 7900gre raster and 4070 RT.

Pricing I'm expecting to be same launch price as 7800xt.

I'm not boarding the hype train.

I still firmly believe that AMD pushed all their cards a tier up from where they should have been,
They do seem to be running their cards rather hot to compete, but that's the landscape these days. Rather than having a great performing card at great temps and power usage that you can optionally overclock, cards are boosted to the brim at the factory and users have to undervolt them if they don't care about that last 5% performance.
 
Why does that matter to you or I? Do we not get one or more cards per gen? Did you miss my post of GPU's i have owned?

Rather have the better updcaling, FrameGen tech, RT, efficiency etc.

People even laughed when I was on a 3070 for a while. Guess what, sold it before vram became a major issue.
It mattered enough after watching my 12Gb 4070 vram collapse at launch on 1440p, to make me go AMD to assure 'plenty'-actual for 4K 65", where, for me, DLSS throws up considerably more negative IQ than it can cure.

Mate, NV are 100m WR holders, but even I can run a Km more consistently than Nv-and that's with carrying tyres round my waist.

It's a few weeks off of 2025, everything gamers and mainstream are throwing the kitchen sink at Nv for their vram and you're still trying to negate abysmal vram on expensive gpus.

They are No.1 for almost everything else in gpus, but Nv at this point are that cocksure they're now trolling every gamer with lousy vram.
 
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I believe we'll only get 7900xt level performance, with 4070ti level RT at most.

But most likely we'll end up with 7900gre raster and 4070 RT.

Pricing I'm expecting to be same launch price as 7800xt.

I'm not boarding the hype train.

I still firmly believe that AMD pushed all their cards a tier up from where they should have been,

Wait... so you think +10% in raster and +20% in RT vs the 7800 XT? Or +10% RT vs the 7900 GRE.

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Wait... so you think +10% in raster and +20% in RT vs the 7800 XT? Or +10% RT vs the 7900 GRE.

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The next 8800xt card will be 7900gre level, with the RT of a 4070ti, maybe a 7900xt level of performance with 4070ti level RT but most likely the former.

I'm more than happy to be proved wrong, and I hope AMD do prove me wrong, but history suggests they'll mess it up, they've an opportunity here,
 
The next 8800xt card will be 7900gre level, with the RT of a 4070ti, maybe a 7900xt level of performance with 4070ti level RT but most likely the former.

I'm more than happy to be proved wrong, and I hope AMD do prove me wrong, but history suggests they'll mess it up, they've an opportunity here,

Yeah you said that, 7900 GRE level is basically no change, i don't remember AMD ever doing that so i don't know what history you're referring to?

Also, seriously with the Mores Law is Dead'esc disclaimers? Commit to what you're saying or you're really not saying anything at all.... You clearly don't believe enough in what you're saying, so maybe don't? Do you really want to refer to your But...But.... i also said this disclaimers? Its why many people find him obnoxious.

Which is it?
 
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Yeah you said that, 7900 GRE level is basically no change, i don't remember AMD ever doing that so i don't know what history you're referring to?

Each time AMD have an open goal they botch the launch one way or another, either price their cards to high, the performance uplift isn't there, take too long to release the range of cards etc etc

From the 6800xt to the 7800xt there's wasn't much of a generational uplift other than slight RT uplift there wasn't much between the cards.
 
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