*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[Firegod]

People on Reddit are so mad that their rx7000 gpu won't support fsr4. Really it was predictable though - sure it's painful, because rtx2000 from 7 years ago can still run the latest dlss today and now amd is wiping the slate clean and needs to build up a library of supported titles for fsr4, but this was sorely needed as AMD's commercial customers such as Sony had lost faith in fsr


Question I have, will 7900xtx owners here make a downgrade from their 7900xtx to get better image quality with fsr4??

Yeah I agree. It would be nice if everything could always work with previous generations, but sometimes I guess, it just can't. People should never expect new features to be backward compatible, you also then lose the incentive for anyone to upgrade. I personally don't have an issue if something new comes out and doesn't work with a past product. Nice if it can though don't get me wrong but not a deal breaker.

amd should have just taken a slot on 8th.. sometimes i wonder if they are acting all high and mighty only to follow in nvidia's footsteps.. you knew you had to wait for nvdias price announcement, it was simple, theres no place for ego in business

Can't say that, you'll have all the haters jumping out saying AMD have to release first!111!1!

 

[Firegod]

Plus better RT you'd hope.

I think from what we've seen and heard from Lisa, RT will defo be improved. Be crazy if that isn't the case!

 

[Hostile_18]

Yeah I agree. It would be nice if everything could always work with previous generations, but sometimes I guess, it just can't. People should never expect new features to be backward compatible, you also then lose the incentive for anyone to upgrade. I personally don't have an issue if something new comes out and doesn't work with a past product. Nice if it can though don't get me wrong but not a deal breaker.

Can't say that, you'll have all the haters jumping out saying AMD have to release first!111!1!

Maybe lose incentive for people to upgrade, but gain incentive for people to make the purchase in the first place, knowing their product will be well supported throughout its lifetime.

 

[Gerard]

Yeah I agree. It would be nice if everything could always work with previous generations, but sometimes I guess, it just can't. People should never expect new features to be backward compatible, you also then lose the incentive for anyone to upgrade. I personally don't have an issue if something new comes out and doesn't work with a past product. Nice if it can though don't get me wrong but not a deal breaker.

Only reason its been backwards compatible to date is because it was entirely software based. If rdna 4 has new hardware for it then stands to reason it wouldn't be compatible with older gpus. Still a grey area until we get more info as to what rnda 4 has "under the hood" so to speak.

 

[Firegod]

Maybe lose incentive for people to upgrade, but gain incentive for people to make the purchase in the first place, knowing their product will be well supported throughout its lifetime.

Yeah another way to look at it.

Only reason its been backwards compatible to date is because it was entirely software based. If rdna 4 has new hardware for it then stands to reason it wouldn't be compatible with older gpus. Still a grey area until we get more info as to what rnda 4 has "under the hood" so to speak.

100%. We need the detail.

 

[mrk]

AMD announces FSR4, available "only on Radeon RX 9070 series" - VideoCardz.com

AMD FSR4 only on Radeon RX 9070 series? AMD confirms Machine Learning-based FSR update. The FidelityFX Super Resolution 4 (FSR 4) is officially here, or at least, the slides suggest it is ready. The FSR 4 technology is a machine-learning-powered upscaling solution developed for AMD’s RDNA4...

videocardz.com

I know many hoped this would not be the case, but let's be real, this was the obvious direction given that FSR is not in a place to compete with DLSS if it stays software only and open source like it is now.

 

[Hostile_18]

AMD announces FSR4, available "only on Radeon RX 9070 series" - VideoCardz.com

AMD FSR4 only on Radeon RX 9070 series? AMD confirms Machine Learning-based FSR update. The FidelityFX Super Resolution 4 (FSR 4) is officially here, or at least, the slides suggest it is ready. The FSR 4 technology is a machine-learning-powered upscaling solution developed for AMD’s RDNA4...

videocardz.com

I know many hoped this would not be the case, but let's be real, this was the obvious direction given that FSR is not in a place to compete with DLSS if it stays software only and open source like it is now.

True. If FSR becomes as good as DLSS, that's a big selling point for me. Probably the main one keeping me on team green.

 

[Firegod]

Just posting this for info, I know we've all probably seen it already. Helps to visualise where the series stacks up.

AMD previews Radeon RX 9070 XT and 9070 Series, RDNA4 launches Q1 2025 - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT and non-XT Series announced Today is only the announcement, no specs, performance, pricing, or release date. First, AMD did, in fact, leak its Radeon RX 9070 reference design. The card shown in the marketing materials is the new 9070 XT version, but there’s also a non-XT...

videocardz.com

 

[mrk]

Edit*
Wrong thread!

 

[w00dy85]

Question I have, will 7900xtx owners here make a downgrade from their 7900xtx to get better image quality with fsr4??

Personally I think why would you use any FSR when you have a 7900xtx? I always turn it off.

 

[Firegod]

Edit*
Wrong thread!

I thought had I uploaded the wrong image for a second there lol.

 

[GhostDog1981]

Interesting, so FSR4 only works on RDNA4, no backwards compatibility. AMD has broken its original promise to be open with its tech and good on them, it's the only way to close the image quality gap with Nvidia

The social media channels are going mental with this betrayal of Rx7000 users. I suspect AMD will implement a FSR 4 lite for RX 7000 and below and FSR Full (AI) for 9070 series.

 

[harmattan]

Just posting this for info, I know we've all probably seen it already. Helps to visualise where the series stacks up.

AMD previews Radeon RX 9070 XT and 9070 Series, RDNA4 launches Q1 2025 - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT and non-XT Series announced Today is only the announcement, no specs, performance, pricing, or release date. First, AMD did, in fact, leak its Radeon RX 9070 reference design. The card shown in the marketing materials is the new 9070 XT version, but there’s also a non-XT...

videocardz.com

That should dispel the "as fast as RTX 4080" rumors.

Should be $450-500 to gain market share. AMD will do what they do and price it at $550-600 while pushing the "improved RT" narrative.

 

[Hostile_18]

The social media channels are going mental with this betrayal of Rx7000 users. I suspect AMD will implement a FSR 4 lite for RX 7000 and below and FSR Full (AI) for 9070 series.

Is there enough of a gap between FSR3 and FSR4 to make that worthwhile or worth the confusion or development time for devs?

 

[Firegod]

That should dispel the "as fast as RTX 4080" rumors.

Should be $450-500 to gain market share. AMD will do what they do and price it at $550-600 while pushing the "improved RT" narrative.

To be honest, if it comes in at £550 I'd still probably be tempted. I read a nice little write up / summary of state of affairs here from about a week ago. Not saying it is all accurate but it summed things up neatly I thought.

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT GPU Specs Are Much Better Than We Thought - ComputerCity

AMD surprised most PC enthusiasts when they announced they would be skipping the top-of-the-line GPU segment in the launch of its 9000 series. However, there

computercity.com

"Early comparisons place the RX 9070 XT in competition with Nvidia’s RTX 4070 Ti. The leaked benchmarks suggest AMD’s offering might struggle to surpass its rival in raw performance. However, AMD could gain an edge through competitive pricing and improved power efficiency."

We shall see!

What I'd like to as well in the coming weeks, is if the AIB partner boards clock or push harder than the reference design, then could it actually compete with the RTX4080? That would be something interesting to find out. How do the 3rd party cards compare, and is there any OC headroom?

 

[GuruJockStrap]

AMD announces FSR4, available "only on Radeon RX 9070 series" - VideoCardz.com

AMD FSR4 only on Radeon RX 9070 series? AMD confirms Machine Learning-based FSR update. The FidelityFX Super Resolution 4 (FSR 4) is officially here, or at least, the slides suggest it is ready. The FSR 4 technology is a machine-learning-powered upscaling solution developed for AMD’s RDNA4...

videocardz.com

I know many hoped this would not be the case, but let's be real, this was the obvious direction given that FSR is not in a place to compete with DLSS if it stays software only and open source like it is now.

Whilst this is disappointing, it’ll be eclipsed in a couple of hours when Nvidia announce the 5080. A 16GB card in 2025 with half the cuda cores of a 5090 for £1200.

 

[JediFragger]

Should be $450-500 to gain market share. AMD will do what they do and price it at $550-600 while pushing the "improved RT" narrative.

AMD won't price this sensibly, and it won't surprise me if they're at 6/7% marketshare by the end of the year.

 

[fraps]

AMD won't price this sensibly, and it won't surprise me if they're at 6/7% marketshare by the end of the year.

I’m hoping they shock everyone with the pricing, even selling at a loss so they can build up market share before UDNA. I might be delusional though.

 

[JediFragger]

I might be delusional though.

'Not a budget brand' iirc what Lisa Su said, can't see it myself. Delusional and I almost WANT them to lose a load more marketshare now tbh.

 

[Killer7xx]

I’m hoping they shock everyone with the pricing, even selling at a loss so they can build up market share before UDNA. I might be delusional though.

If they can sell a chiplet 7800XT at $499 then I don't see why they can't sell a monolithic 9070XT at that same price point or even lower and still make profit. Nvidia are going to price their 12GB 5070 above $600 most likely. Even if it's only $100 difference, to go Nvidia you'd be paying 20% more for a GPU with likely worse raw power and 4GB less VRAM which can be the difference between being a 1440p or a budget 4k card.