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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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benjii said:
I can see a bunch of impatient people picking these up for gaming. We will most likely see review sites benchmarking these in games as well, it'll be nice to get a sneak peak at RX Vega performance.
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Problem there is there won't be any gaming drivers available until RX Vega launches.
 
Sadly I will be doing the same assuming the msi water blocked one is out before vega details are :D.

May kick myself when vega comes out but my 7970 is on its last legs now :(.
 
D.P. said:
I don't buy the HBM2 supply not being an issue, they haven't provided any proof and as you say Hynix' product catalogue quite clearly shows major delays and missing products. It would be one thing if Hynix never even announced these products in the catalogue but they clearly had Q32016 and then a whole series of delays and cutting the faster chips altogether.

And if if it not HBM2 supply then what is it? We know the 14nm process is not going to be giving yield issue in itself. It may not be quite as good as TSMC's but the node is very mature now and AMD have a lot of experience with it form Polaris so it can't be new fab node which has caused headaches in the passed.

I don't think it can be any interposer and mounting issues, AMD already went through that nightmare with Fiji so I hope they have that sorted.


The drivers definitely can't be a real reason. AMD and Nvidia start developing drivers long before before there is even a first working silicon using advanced simulations. Plus there have been working engineering samples for months now.


If it isn't HBM2 hen it looks more liekly some fundamental design flaw that requires a whole new respin which would delay things a few months. But then they wouldn't release the professional FE cards, unless some how the flaw was only with specific graphics related functionality which they can completely block for the HPC cards. But then AMD have ben marketing the FE cards for graphics so....



SO no, by far the simplest explanation is HBM2 is in tight supply from SK Hynix. There may be some deal in place where AMD get a big discoutn form sourcing form Hynix, while Samsung might eb charging a pretty premium for Nvidia but Nvidia doesn't care when they are selling Pascal and Volta at $13K a card.
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I wouldn't rule out drivers as Raja himself dropped a big hint the other week on this topic basically saying that hardware design plays 2nd fiddle to writing software in terms of complexity and getting the software right was the most important part.
 
I thought they might show us something at the 'PC Gaming Show'@E3 like they did in previous years, alas this year is being sponsored by Intel so not much hope for that :(
 
Freddie1980 said:
I wouldn't rule out drivers as Raja himself dropped a big hint the other week on this topic basically saying that hardware design plays 2nd fiddle to writing software in terms of complexity and getting the software right was the most important part.
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They only just applied for and got FCC certification. They couldnt enter full prodiction without it and you then have to allow time to produce and ship enough product for a meaningful launch... it definitely isnt just a software issue.
 
So far this is shaping up to be a typical AMD launch. We have:

  • People upset that AMD is not releasing a wham-bham-drop-the-mike benchmark that clearly shows it is 30% faster than the 1080ti
    • Said people will jump and point out to anyone speculating it is indeed that fast, that it's too little too late - Volta is just around the corner.
  • People criticising that lack of concrete info, explaining how all this secrecy is just losing them sales
    • Said people also complain that AMD should be more like Nvidia and give zero info, then just release the card and be done.
  • People announcing they're getting a 1080ti, expecting us to react as if they just announced they're about to jump off a bridge, and beg them not to.
    • It is said that more than half the people that walked up to the edge of a bridge don't actually follow through and jump. It is also said that almost all other people don't really care whether they jump or not.
  • People lamenting how much AMD's marketing sucks because they hype up their products and then under-deliver
    • Each of them has hyped up Vega in at least one post

...yeah, this is just one more run-of-the-mill AMD launch.
 
akarypid said:
So far this is shaping up to be a typical AMD launch. We have:

  • People upset that AMD is not releasing a wham-bham-drop-the-mike benchmark that clearly shows it is 30% faster than the 1080ti
    • Said people will jump and point out to anyone speculating it is indeed that fast, that it's too little too late - Volta is just around the corner.
  • People criticising that lack of concrete info, explaining how all this secrecy is just losing them sales
    • Said people also complain that AMD should be more like Nvidia and give zero info, then just release the card and be done.
  • People announcing they're getting a 1080ti, expecting us to react as if they just announced they're about to jump off a bridge, and beg them not to.
    • It is said that more than half the people that walked up to the edge of a bridge don't actually follow through and jump. It is also said that almost all other people don't really care whether they jump or not.
  • People lamenting how much AMD's marketing sucks because they hype up their products and then under-deliver
    • Each of them has hyped up Vega in at least one post

...yeah, this is just one more run-of-the-mill AMD launch.
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Erm... lol!
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Yes. The best thing AMD has done in a decade was replace the CEOs, who were previously just business people with Lisa Su, an actual computer engineer, and IBM R&D specialist.

Then head hunting back Raja, and Jim Keller, along with establishing RTG so the GPU division isn't controlled by the CPU one anymore.

Raja has said many times now how they those perspective on GPUs, and were over one generation behind as a result.
Polaris was fully done by the time Raja arrived, and he probably had little impact on the early designs of Vega. I hope that due to the delays it means he's trying to squeeze more out of the design.
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It's worth pointing out that those sorts of people can pretty much write their own paychecks and work where they want, so to get them to come back, I've no doubt they were offered the opportunity to work on very interesting stuff with a long term plan for the future of the company. They didn't go there to make the likes of Ryzen be an also-ran behind Intel, and I think that should give us hope that Vega is not simply going to be a second choice after Nvidia products. They are going to make it as good as it can be, not just what they can get away with as per the previous management.
 
akarypid said:
So far this is shaping up to be a typical AMD launch. We have:

  • People upset that AMD is not releasing a wham-bham-drop-the-mike benchmark that clearly shows it is 30% faster than the 1080ti
    • Said people will jump and point out to anyone speculating it is indeed that fast, that it's too little too late - Volta is just around the corner.
  • People criticising that lack of concrete info, explaining how all this secrecy is just losing them sales
    • Said people also complain that AMD should be more like Nvidia and give zero info, then just release the card and be done.
  • People announcing they're getting a 1080ti, expecting us to react as if they just announced they're about to jump off a bridge, and beg them not to.
    • It is said that more than half the people that walked up to the edge of a bridge don't actually follow through and jump. It is also said that almost all other people don't really care whether they jump or not.
  • People lamenting how much AMD's marketing sucks because they hype up their products and then under-deliver
    • Each of them has hyped up Vega in at least one post

...yeah, this is just one more run-of-the-mill AMD launch.
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Not sure if we are reading the same thread/s? Your post comes across as a little weird if I am honest and not sure what you are even going on about? If you look at the show times to launch, I can personally see why people (AMD fans included) are disappointed in this launch and some have thrown in the towel and purchased a 1080Ti/1080 etc. We first had Vega shown in December and frames were very good in the 2 titles that were shown (Doom and BF1), it matched and beat the 1080 in those games iirc and roll on 2 shows later and 6 months, still nothing from AMD in terms of purchase ability. Lots of folks and me included were expecting to see consumer Vega at Computex and purchasing what appeared to be a decent card very soon after.... It didn't happen and hence why people are deflated. Insinuating that people walk up to a bridge and don't jump is weed smoking posts lol and absolutely no relevance to buying a GPU.
 
Gregster said:
Not sure if we are reading the same thread/s? Your post comes across as a little weird if I am honest and not sure what you are even going on about? If you look at the show times to launch, I can personally see why people (AMD fans included) are disappointed in this launch and some have thrown in the towel and purchased a 1080Ti/1080 etc. We first had Vega shown in December and frames were very good in the 2 titles that were shown (Doom and BF1), it matched and beat the 1080 in those games iirc and roll on 2 shows later and 6 months, still nothing from AMD in terms of purchase ability. Lots of folks and me included were expecting to see consumer Vega at Computex and purchasing what appeared to be a decent card very soon after.... It didn't happen and hence why people are deflated. Insinuating that people walk up to a bridge and don't jump is weed smoking posts lol and absolutely no relevance to buying a GPU.
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nailed it
 
Gregster said:
Not sure if we are reading the same thread/s? Your post comes across as a little weird if I am honest and not sure what you are even going on about? If you look at the show times to launch, I can personally see why people (AMD fans included) are disappointed in this launch and some have thrown in the towel and purchased a 1080Ti/1080 etc. We first had Vega shown in December and frames were very good in the 2 titles that were shown (Doom and BF1), it matched and beat the 1080 in those games iirc and roll on 2 shows later and 6 months, still nothing from AMD in terms of purchase ability. Lots of folks and me included were expecting to see consumer Vega at Computex and purchasing what appeared to be a decent card very soon after.... It didn't happen and hence why people are deflated. Insinuating that people walk up to a bridge and don't jump is weed smoking posts lol and absolutely no relevance to buying a GPU.
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Yup. At lest they should shown how will it look. ATM we know well nothing about RX... like is there AIO version ?? If not thats straight 1080/1080ti purchase. I dont want to wait 2 months now just to wait another 2-3 months to get AIB watercooled one... 4-5 months FROM NOW vs buy NV now.
 
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