Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[five8five]

I would take what "sales people" say with a pinch of salt.

Regardless of those stats, personally, I've seen more and more people jumping ship in the last year or so than ever before due to all the mentioned issues with PC gaming nowadays and the sad thing is, can you really blame people for doing it?

The manufacturers of hardware and retailers haven't helped matters at all either i.e. take the monitor market:

- no real progress other than higher resolution and faster refresh rate, the recently announced HDR FALD monitors is the first in a long time where IQ improvements are finally being pushed forward with (outside of the laughable prices) but it will be a long time until monitors match TV in terms of the performance/quality to price again, if ever....
- QC is non-existent and as a result due to all the returns for backlight bleed etc. issues, retailers/manufacturers decide to stick the prices up all round to cover any CCR restocking fees



And as a result of that retarded move (well for profit/business wise, not retarded, at least for short term....), even less people buy monitors.

PC gaming won't ever go away but I do think it is on the road to becoming an extreme enthusiast platform only.

I think that's a bit harsh on Gibbo. He's given us a lot of info that I suspect other companies wouldn't divulge. It's not just me saying that, it's been mentioned by others.

Re. monitors - if sales slow then it's up to the manufacturers to sort their product out.

 

[five8five]

Could you please tell me why someone would buy a second hand GTX780 for almost 50% more money than the R9 290X????? Or even a Titan Black or a GTX780Ti.

???????????????

Could you please clarify.

 

[silversurfer]

Unless you are desperate for the performance in some critical game then wait, especially if you mean to do the CPU as well. I'm interested to know if there is any benefit to having AMD cpu and gpu, I doubt it as it sounds too similar to mentioned ideas in the past.
I swear as far back as geforce 2 they have been mentioning increased fps from excluding models not in viewer sight, that and any other smart idea seems feasible but actually seeing it coordinated between all the layers and giving performance advantage arrives years after its sold.
Wait for Frontier anyhow as that will be the first time we get any proper detail seems like. Giving up because they used crossfire for a demo with no fps shown is meaningless noise

But nv does not support overclocking anymore...

AMD seems more of an open company and every time Raja speaks he says stuff I agree with but if genuine and whether those are just words that never appear in substance I dont know.

AMD is trying to assemble a group of folks crazy enough to try and turn this company around.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...ses-making-movie-and-vr-magic/2/#5b2e5dac66c3

Spoiler

 

[five8five]

Hopefully this will stop the arguing. This is from August 2016 -

Will launch "Vega" for the enthusiast in 1H 2017

 

[TonyTurbo78]

I've managed to put a boo boo aid on my "still no gaming Vega specs, details, price,release" disappointment by buying my mates cast off KS7000 for £250 and helping out round his house. I'm going to forget all about Vega for a few months and concentrate on 4k hdr PS4 pro gaming. It's pretty impressive, my first 4k tv, not the best I know but for that price who wouldn't.

 

[Gregster]

Hopefully this will stop the arguing. This is from August 2016 -

Will launch "Vega" for the enthusiast in 1H 2017

So the enthusiast market is now the professional market or am I missing something?

 

[N19h7m4r3]

So the enthusiast market is now the professional market or am I missing something?

Vega Frontier Edition is their version of a Titan Xp. It's not a Radeon Pro ( Quadro ), or Instinct ( Tesla ).

 

[Gregster]

Vega Frontier Edition is their version of a Titan Xp. It's not a Radeon Pro ( Quadro ), or Instinct ( Tesla ).

Fair enough I guess but the Titan line has always been the fastest for games and I don't care what some say, the Titan line was bought by many gamers (me included). It has always been the fastest card available for gamers as well, which if I am correct, the Frontier Edition won't be. I guess if gamers actually buy it, fair one but I am a little sceptical of anyone on these forums doing that, so to me the Enthusiast line is the top gaming card, which the FE isn't.

 

[spoffle]

FE is not like current Titan products, perhaps like the original but certainly not the current. You want and see the price of these FE cards, you will be able to SLI TitanXP but for less.

The original Titan wad marketed directly at gamers. It wasn't listed or sold as a compute or productivity card. Their marketing was all about top tier gaming.

 

[TNA]

So the enthusiast market is now the professional market or am I missing something?

Cheeky you

You know the score, they are behind by a few months. I am sure they originally wanted it out by now, but sometimes things do not go to plan.

End of the day what I would say to people is, at least we now have a launch date. You can either choose to wait or not. But at least you know in August benchmarks will be out

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Fair enough I guess but the Titan line has always been the fastest for games and I don't care what some say, the Titan line was bought by many gamers (me included). It has always been the fastest card available for gamers as well, which if I am correct, the Frontier Edition won't be. I guess if gamers actually buy it, fair one but I am a little sceptical of anyone on these forums doing that, so to me the Enthusiast line is the top gaming card, which the FE isn't.

I see it as part of their HEDT line, where Threadripper sits, same for x99 and x299. Not just gamers want those systems.
It's a great in between, that offers great gaming, and productivity with some proper professional workstation performance. While still not breaking the bank as full on Xeon and Quadro/Radeon Pro would.

Wasn't AMD's tag line for the old Radeon Pro Duo launch, For Gamers Who Create and Creators Who Game?
I believe the same applies here to their HEDT and FE.

 

[Gregster]

All cool bud and I don't mind being wrong and yep, technically they are releasing Vega in H1, so not late.

 

[chaosophy]

That slide is from 08/2016 though and believe the last official word was just the vague 'Vega in H1'. So yes can see the argument for the slip but still not as bad as the 'it was Q1' that was going around and that they've delayed and delayed it.

Could also argue that you'd have to be a real enthusiast to buy the FE and that most are waiting for the gaming cards and it doesn't technically say gaming cards H1 2017.

But it's all semantics and it's pretty clear they've had/are having issues somewhere and probably wanted them all out before H2.

But then if it is something like a HBM supply issue, or some other issue that is a 2nd/3rd party and potentially out of their hands what else can they do? If their supplier is telling them it is coming then they kind of have to go with that, stick to the plan and work around it if needed. They can't really call their supplier out in public by saying we're aiming for H1 but our supplier might mess up and slip us to H2 and then once they know they will slip they're not really going to come out and shift the blame elsewhere.

Either way, it seems more a genuine slip of date rather than an out right lie or pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. The biggest thing - imo - they can be blamed for, which others have mentioned is their lack of official info or any attempt to control the message or public perception.

 

[V F]

I still cannot get over AMD stated dedicated cards would end by 2015. I mean how could you not know your own market? That must have been worse than egg and flour all over you.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I still cannot get over AMD stated dedicated cards would end by 2015. I mean how could you not know your own market?

Yeah, the old management were really clueless in the end. Hawaii was a fantastic architecture, with it's biggest issue being useless reference coolers.
Seems some of them really thought PC gaming was dying, and consoles and APUs were the future. Darn fools.

 

[V F]

Sounds like the ways of administrators.

 

[FoxEye]

I think it will be a good card, but it is simply releasing too late now. It is going to have an extremely short shelf life unless it is a decent bit faster than a 1080ti (unlikely). Nvidia will probably release the GV104 chips/cards within about 6 months of Vega's release, which will likely be a decent bit faster than a 1080ti and make Vega look obsolete.

Personally i would be hesitant to buy Vega because of this, unless it was very keenly priced (based on the assumption that it isn't any faster than a 1080ti).

nVidia might increase prices again. 1080ti is £650... an 1180 that's 30% faster could debut at £800... The 1180ti being £1000... the new Titan £1500...

I'm not sure I would put it past them to do this.

 

[Zeed]

Whenever I try to add a 1080ti to the shopping cart, Vega keeps popping up in the back of my head. Don't even know whether to wait or just get the ṭi. I am hesitant mostly because the 290X aged better than both 970 and 780ti so seems to me AMD supports their older products better than NVIDIA. When I try to get a Ryzen I keep hearing reports about how AM4 mobos are failing and aren't on par with Intel as far as overall stability and quality goes. Ugh I will remain stuck on a 970 and FX 8350 and never build my rig at this rate.

And this is why AMD cant regain market... Even when they sort their **** out like bioses and drivers. Once product been review'd thats that. How many times You seen Major portal doing NEW review after lets say 4-5 months ??

And since AMD tends to put their products on market in beta phase well thats that...

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Sounds like the ways of administrators.

Aye, all business, and no idea about the technology they're actually researching and selling. Glad some actual engineers are in charge where they need to be now.

Hopefully the Zen Architecture gets AMD out of debt and they get the cash injections their R&D really needs.

 

[Panos]

And this is why AMD cant regain market... Even when they sort their **** out like bioses and drivers. Once product been review'd thats that. How many times You seen Major portal doing NEW review after lets say 4-5 months ??

And since AMD tends to put their products on market in beta phase well thats that...

Actually Guru3D does it. Even yesterday on the Aorus GTX1080 11gbps you can find GTX780Ti, 390X/380 etc on the charts.

But I will agree with your. The first reviews matter.

For example the FuryX/Nano has a UEFI bios which came out April 2016. The performance of the GPU goes up, and so the overclocking also. (mine runs happily at 1190/600 or 1200/575 24/7)
However no reviewers have upgraded their cards, even Guru3d.

And lets not forget, the Vega GPUs are already been used 6-7 weeks on the LiquidSky servers for gaming, so I bet by the time we have the proper consumer GPUs out, they will be mature enough.