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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%
  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%
  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%

  • Total voters
    528
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I've managed to put a boo boo aid on my "still no gaming Vega specs, details, price,release" disappointment by buying my mates cast off KS7000 for £250 and helping out round his house. I'm going to forget all about Vega for a few months and concentrate on 4k hdr PS4 pro gaming. It's pretty impressive, my first 4k tv, not the best I know but for that price who wouldn't.

Bloody hell that's a great price! That's the thing, I'd been mulling over a second 980 Ti/1080 Ti until I bought my KS8000 recently and (since I received the fully working replacement) have simply gotten on with playing and enjoying games (running 4K where possible, dropping to 1080p without much discernible IQ loss to my eyes) and watching various media. Reminds me how obsessive enthusiast hobbies can be, it's nice to forget the hardware and just enjoy what it's there to do. Plus the weather's been great.
 
But I will agree with your. The first reviews matter.

It really sucks that when people search for Ryzen reviews, many find ones like the Gamers Nexus one, where the CPUs were essentially trashed. They were compared to i5's from Ivy Bridge :/
Heck the RX 480 on launch day was compared to the GTX 970, where as the GTX 1060 was compared to the 980.
Now those cards are neck and neck, and trade wins between games, but still usually within ~5% at most.
But if a new person searches RX 480 and finds a launch day review...it doesn't look as good.

I hope AMD is using this time to really really polish RX Vega's gaming performance. Use this HBM2, and other delays issues to their advantage.
 
I hope AMD is using this time to really really polish RX Vega's gaming performance. Use this HBM2, and other delays issues to their advantage.

Sincerely hope so.

I have been wondering about whether AMD might purposefully withhold gaming related driver optimisations for Vega FE in order to allow consumer Vega to land with a bit more of a bang. Pros & cons to doing so, particularly as the FE will undoubtedly be used to try and gauge the gaming card during July.
 
It really sucks that when people search for Ryzen reviews, many find ones like the Gamers Nexus one, where the CPUs were essentially trashed. They were compared to i5's from Ivy Bridge :/
Heck the RX 480 on launch day was compared to the GTX 970, where as the GTX 1060 was compared to the 980.
Now those cards are neck and neck, and trade wins between games, but still usually within ~5% at most.
But if a new person searches RX 480 and finds a launch day review...it doesn't look as good.

I hope AMD is using this time to really really polish RX Vega's gaming performance. Use this HBM2, and other delays issues to their advantage.

Yep.
 
Won't the FE have its own drivers though specifically optimised for applications?

Directly from Raja from the reddit AMA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6bklro/we_are_radeon_technologies_group_at_amd_and_were/

Looks like it can use the Gaming drivers, and the Pro ones.

The Frontier Edition was designed for a variety of use-cases like Machine Learning, real-time visualization, and game design. Can you play games on Frontier Edition? Yes, absolutely. It supports the RX driver and will deliver smooth 4K gaming. But because it is optimized for professional use cases (and priced accordingly), if gaming is your primary reason for buying a GPU, I’d suggest waiting just a little while longer for the lower-priced, gaming-optimized Radeon RX Vega
 
It really sucks that when people search for Ryzen reviews, many find ones like the Gamers Nexus one, where the CPUs were essentially trashed. They were compared to i5's from Ivy Bridge :/
Heck the RX 480 on launch day was compared to the GTX 970, where as the GTX 1060 was compared to the 980.
Now those cards are neck and neck, and trade wins between games, but still usually within ~5% at most.
But if a new person searches RX 480 and finds a launch day review...it doesn't look as good.

I hope AMD is using this time to really really polish RX Vega's gaming performance. Use this HBM2, and other delays issues to their advantage.

Fully agree. They've been quite successful in the driver department the past couple of years so let's hope that team is making the most of the time available and we get launch day drivers that actually bring out the performance in the card.

Another thing is the mining craze that's all the rage right now. Looks like Polaris inventory is being drained. I suppose the first Vegas will be too expensive to be affected by that, but AMD must try to release Vega 11 before the mining craze subsides. This way when all those Polaris cards hit the second-hand market, people will have moved on to chasing after Vegas.
 
It really sucks that when people search for Ryzen reviews, many find ones like the Gamers Nexus one, where the CPUs were essentially trashed. They were compared to i5's from Ivy Bridge :/
Heck the RX 480 on launch day was compared to the GTX 970, where as the GTX 1060 was compared to the 980.
Now those cards are neck and neck, and trade wins between games, but still usually within ~5% at most.
But if a new person searches RX 480 and finds a launch day review...it doesn't look as good.

I hope AMD is using this time to really really polish RX Vega's gaming performance. Use this HBM2, and other delays issues to their advantage.

Agree with that
 
Thats why there is no 480 now, its 580 so the reviews are correct? Cant remember where I read but have they learnt the lesson and included extra provision on the power despite new cards (apparently) not needing it
Vega Frontier Edition is their version of a Titan Xp
I dont think its placed anything like the Titan, the impression Raja gives it will be more then slightly the wrong choice for gaming. Maybe he just meant its bad value, over twice the cost perhaps and performance is ok still. That'd be ideal for reviews. If we get to pre order Frontier soon on OCUK then I presume Im wrong but I bet Im not and especially if the Rx drivers arent available till that card is released
 
The original Titan wad marketed directly at gamers. It wasn't listed or sold as a compute or productivity card. Their marketing was all about top tier gaming.
So why did they also state it's not intended for gamers either? That all ended too when the 980Ti was faster than the Titan, and the 1080Ti is faster than the pascal Titan. Now they have a Titanxp which is confusing. Either way i think AMD are just trying to cash in on nvidia's marketing strategy. The Vega FE will be decent but i bet the flagship RX Vega will be faster slightly and then the lower skus probably not as fast as the FE.

Wouldn't surprise me if the RX Vega flagship is release slightly after other skus too.
 
That slide is from 08/2016 though and believe the last official word was just the vague 'Vega in H1'. So yes can see the argument for the slip but still not as bad as the 'it was Q1' that was going around and that they've delayed and delayed it.

Could also argue that you'd have to be a real enthusiast to buy the FE and that most are waiting for the gaming cards and it doesn't technically say gaming cards H1 2017. :p

But it's all semantics and it's pretty clear they've had/are having issues somewhere and probably wanted them all out before H2.

But then if it is something like a HBM supply issue, or some other issue that is a 2nd/3rd party and potentially out of their hands what else can they do? If their supplier is telling them it is coming then they kind of have to go with that, stick to the plan and work around it if needed. They can't really call their supplier out in public by saying we're aiming for H1 but our supplier might mess up and slip us to H2 and then once they know they will slip they're not really going to come out and shift the blame elsewhere.

Either way, it seems more a genuine slip of date rather than an out right lie or pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. The biggest thing - imo - they can be blamed for, which others have mentioned is their lack of official info or any attempt to control the message or public perception.
Too right :)
 
...technically being the key word here.
What's Technical about it? Have they released a Vega card in 1h 2017? Yes so what's technical about it? Just because everyone wanted or was expecting the whole line up skus to release straight away? That makes it technical? lol.

ohh btw i ain't defending the fact that AMD are late to the part btw.
 
So why did they also state it's not intended for gamers either? That all ended too when the 980Ti was faster than the Titan, and the 1080Ti is faster than the pascal Titan. Now they have a Titanxp which is confusing. Either way i think AMD are just trying to cash in on nvidia's marketing strategy. The Vega FE will be decent but i bet the flagship RX Vega will be faster slightly and then the lower skus probably not as fast as the FE.

Wouldn't surprise me if the RX Vega flagship is release slightly after other skus too.
The Ti cards had fewer cores but could run at a higher clock speed, which is why they ended up being faster.

But the bottom line is that Titans are GTX Geforce cards. This means they're gaming cards before and above anything else.
 
So why did they also state it's not intended for gamers either? That all ended too when the 980Ti was faster than the Titan, and the 1080Ti is faster than the pascal Titan. Now they have a Titanxp which is confusing. Either way i think AMD are just trying to cash in on nvidia's marketing strategy. The Vega FE will be decent but i bet the flagship RX Vega will be faster slightly and then the lower skus probably not as fast as the FE.

Wouldn't surprise me if the RX Vega flagship is release slightly after other skus too.
I'm not sure a ti is faster than a titan pascal. It might be clocked slightly higher out the box but the pascals hold all the speed records once oc'd.
 
What's Technical about it? Have they released a Vega card in 1h 2017? Yes so what's technical about it? Just because everyone wanted or was expecting the whole line up skus to release straight away? That makes it technical? lol.

ohh btw i ain't defending the fact that AMD are late to the part btw.

technically
Something technically true is actually, really true or correct but it may not be the way people think about it.​

What's technical about it is: it is indeed a Vega card they they are releasing in H1, so they have indeed met their target, but I'll bet you that 9 out of 10 people were thinking that meant a gaming-optimised version would be released in H1, with gaming drivers and high gaming clocks, so everyone ended up being wrong.

Also not defending AMD here, just pointing out that the whole thing seems like a last-minute save. Personally, I believe that they would've liked and were hoping to produce gaming Vega within H1, but it didn't work out for them. So they've settled for being technically correct.

PS It's like tomatoes: everyone talks about them as if they're vegetables, yet they're wrong...
PPS At least being technically correct is the best kind of correct...
 
It's crazy, everyone would have moved on from Prey by the time the cards are even announced, never mind hard launched!!!
As someone who's been waiting to buy a Vega card for my freesync box, I believe I am likely to finish Prey today!

I haven't even bought Prey yet, Same with Sniper elite 4, Resident Evil 7 and a few others, I'll look at playing them when Vega finally turns up and who knows maybe one will be bundled with it.
 
I haven't even bought Prey yet, Same with Sniper elite 4, Resident Evil 7 and a few others, I'll look at playing them when Vega finally turns up and who knows maybe one will be bundled with it.

I'm also waiting to see what they'll cost when the Steam sales begin. I rarely get any games on launch day/week anymore.
 
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