Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[Zeed]

Grab a 1080Ti for VR. I am playing Elite Dangerous with 2xSS and it is breezing through it. So smooth and responsive and as it is your Birthday, it would be rude not to (happy Birthday BTW)

Ordered 3733 ddrs to see what i can get out of them for bday. Ran 10k to city and back gotten nyself a pair of traibers for Cosplay-con today lol

Said it b4 and say it again one of reasons i dont have pascal is.... Locked bios.. Kinda dont want to solder resistors on new card on first day. And i would cause hate being limited.

Could use clu technics to bypas piwer limit but thats ****** job.

And yes i hard moded 3 cards with soldering resistors caps to it before overclocking picked up. But nv does not support overclocking anymore...


I would need 2 find second hand pascal since warranty would be out of window day 1.

 

[D.P.]

Yea and those same people would be throwing Ryzen under the bus if it did indeed come out later. Its happening to Vega right now even though AMD said 1H Vega release. Vega FE card is being released 27th of June which means Vega has met that deadline. AMD didn't ever say they was going to release their whole line up and SKU on day one. Even nVidia have a staggered release but hey its AMD and it's cool to hate on them. I understand people's frustration when waiting (hence why i got a 1080Ti) but making stuff up like Vega is late AMD delayed again is nonsense. D.P. Where you at bro i thought you usually like telling the truth and all that???

I told people all along H12017 was June so the FE announcement is on time but I strongly believe AND fully intended gaming parts at the same time. And were demonstrating working samples at the start of the year, doesn't take that long for full scale production. I don't buy any serious defect or driver issues otherwise they wouldn't release FE cards. Hbm2 supply just ticks so many boxes and has mud sipping evidence.


Gaming vega is late whatever way you look at it,even if it is early by AMD goal. Nvidia has Sat here for year laughing all the way to the bank, Volta will make an appearance soon.

 

[Gregster]

Possibly you are the deluded. AMD said H1 2017 the Vega card will be out. That date is going to be met on June 27th with the FE card.
I do not see, the issue here. When NV released the GTX1080 in MAY 2016, the first cards hit the market were on pre-order only 2 months later. And took all way to August to be able to go and order a GTX1080 from stock.

The FE cards were released in May and were always available. Custom cards came about a month later (normal practice for any release) and I got mine on the 27th June (Gigabyte G1 gaming), there was always stock for custom cards, albeit it was in short supply but nowhere near as bad as what you are saying. You are slitting hairs with what Jed is saying but then post nonsensical stuff yourself. That isn't how debates work bud.

Edit:

Just to add, I want to see AMD release Vega as soon as possible. first showing in December and we are now in June and still nothing, so whilst I see where you are coming from on your defence, it is a poor show however you butter it up from AMD.

 

[JediFragger]

When NV released the GTX1080 in MAY 2016, the first cards hit the market were on pre-order only 2 months later. And took all way to August to be able to go and order a GTX1080 from stock.

I went down to OcUK and easily bought an FE in stock on June 5th last year.

edit - In contrast, Polaris launched on June 1st last year and cards were not available until June 29th. I'm expecting a similar timescale for gaming Vega.

 

[JediFragger]

Then tell me if AMD are not meeting that date with the release of Vega FE.

AMD themselves have stated that the FE is not meant to be the gaming card.

 

[D.P.]

Go google Q2 and 1h and see what dates are given. Then tell me if AMD are not meeting that date with the release of Vega FE. Which is just like the Titan cards. Not aimed at gamers but still can be used for gaming.
Raja even said you can game on the FE and it will be great performance but you are better waiting for the RX lineup that will come after as it will have better gaming performance and be optimised for gaming.

FE is not like current Titan products, perhaps like the original but certainly not the current. You want and see the price of these FE cards, you will be able to SLI TitanXP but for less.

 

[D.P.]

If the performance numbers for SolidWorks are as accurate as they presented, and the gaming performance is just below Titan Xp I actually would.

Twice the performance in SolidWorks, better in Video work and DaVinci Resolve, and slightly lower gaming performance compared to the £1200 Titan Xp.

Although at that price, I'll also consider waiting for the Radeon RX version to see if AMD has cut some proffesional performance.
If it's £800 or less probably I'll snap it up.

Those numbers are meaningless because the Titan wasn't benchmarked with equivalent professional drivers. A lower end older generation what do care was showing better solid works performance for a lot less that 1200.

and I doubt the FE will be 1200

 

[Jono8]

The FE cards were released in May and were always available. Custom cards came about a month later (normal practice for any release) and I got mine on the 27th June (Gigabyte G1 gaming), there was always stock for custom cards, albeit it was in short supply but nowhere near as bad as what you are saying. You are slitting hairs with what Jed is saying but then post nonsensical stuff yourself. That isn't how debates work bud.

Edit:

Just to add, I want to see AMD release Vega as soon as possible. first showing in December and we are now in June and still nothing, so whilst I see where you are coming from on your defence, it is a poor show however you butter it up from AMD.

Indeed. From the 27th May there was never a point where you couldn't buy a 1080. Sure, not necessarily the one you wanted and for the first few weeks the vast majority of stock was FE, but the fact remains - it was released on that day and you could buy one from that day. The wait was for specific custom models to come in to stock (I had Amazon send me a 1080 G1 in the 10th June, but sent it back).

 

[akarypid]

Yea and those same people would be throwing Ryzen under the bus if it did indeed come out later. Its happening to Vega right now even though AMD said 1H Vega release. Vega FE card is being released 27th of June which means Vega has met that deadline. AMD didn't ever say they was going to release their whole line up and SKU on day one. Even nVidia have a staggered release but hey its AMD and it's cool to hate on them. I understand people's frustration when waiting (hence why i got a 1080Ti) but making stuff up like Vega is late AMD delayed again is nonsense. D.P. Where you at bro i thought you usually like telling the truth and all that???

You are correct in that the target has always been 1H 2017. Indeed they are technically meeting that target by releasing the FE on June 27th. The reality is though that people in gaming forums were expecting RX Vega in June, not FE. Now, people may say that this is similar to Nvidia's release of the Founder's Edition first, but let's not forget that the 1080 is a gaming card. AMD have a common gaming/professional architecture so they're not really pulling the same trick here.

Either way, to me it all boils down to whether or not we have partner cards in early August, which would be the 'regular' timeline for recent launches.

Are you deluded or something? AMD stated H1 for consumer Vega (after changing it from Q1) yet they're not going to launch til the very end of July, with cards possibly 4 weeks after that (as per the Polaris 'launch'). I don't know what your definition of H1 is to you, but for me they're missing it by miles...

AMD have always said H1. Unless you mean that WCCFtech said Q1 then changed it to H1. But that's not AMD...

 

[nashathedog]

I like the hypocrisy on some here. From one side they demand from AMD to stick to deadlines (they set themselves via rumour **** websites like WCCFTECH) like they are the AMD bosses and majority stockholders, on the other hand they do not want half made product. But something far superior than the competition at half the price.....

I think what's gone wrong here is the lack of communication.
It also doesn't help when people start trying to defend them with semantics like They didn't actually say RX Vega would release in 1h when it was said during gaming orientated discussions, And then sites are uploading links to a so-called 1600mhz Frontier edition bench where it's slower than a 290x and comparing it too a 1080ti result with all the doom and gloom predictions. They all add to the problem and all the while AMD say's nothing.

 

[JediFragger]

and all the while AMD keep stoom.

Tbf it does seem to be their main strength!! They are VERY good at it!!

 

[nashathedog]

Tbf it does seem to be their main strength!! They are VERY good at it!!

Sadly true, I accepted an offer for my Fury yesterday and went to order a cheap(ish) 570 or 580 to play with but there was none in stock so I had to order a 560 instead, I'm sure it'll have no problems running my 3440x1440 monitor though.

 

[r7slayer]

I told people all along H12017 was June so the FE announcement is on time but I strongly believe AND fully intended gaming parts at the same time. And were demonstrating working samples at the start of the year, doesn't take that long for full scale production. I don't buy any serious defect or driver issues otherwise they wouldn't release FE cards. Hbm2 supply just ticks so many boxes and has mud sipping evidence.


Gaming vega is late whatever way you look at it,even if it is early by AMD goal. Nvidia has Sat here for year laughing all the way to the bank, Volta will make an appearance soon.

Yea i remember having that discussion with you and you telling me 1H will most likley be end of June for AMD which is why the date stuck in my head lol. I never saw anywhere AMD announce Q1 or earlier just people making assumptions as my self hoping Vega would be before June for 1H.

FE is not like current Titan products, perhaps like the original but certainly not the current. You want and see the price of these FE cards, you will be able to SLI TitanXP but for less.

Yea that's true! Only aspect i was comparing them is nvidia actually say they don't target the Titan (pascal) or Titanxp at gamers. But that's as far as it goes. They are still Geforce cards i know. Jaytwocents rambles on about it a lot.

Where AMD has actually met the target of 1h release for "VEGA" i also agree its late in the respect that how long pascal has been out and dominated the high end market. Vega coming in now means they will have to be very competitive on price to get decent sales for Vega. I can only assume that they have more refined Vega which they may release at a later date to get more sales then Navi to come in after.

 

[r7slayer]

AMD themselves have stated that the FE is not meant to be the gaming card.

It's still a Vega card though is it not and is going to be released 1h is it not? AMD has stated its not a gaming card but gaming performance is great so if you cannot wait get a FE but RX Vega will be better.

So people saying Vega has been pushed back ill disagree all day. Vega release 1h is a very vague term. While they have met the date with vega ill agree with anyone that thinks RX Vega is late to the party. And RX Vega may have been pushed back but AMD are not wrong or lied or any of that like people are making out.

 

[andybird123]

ah, the old "la la la la I can't hear you" defence

 

[Shaz12]

Whenever I try to add a 1080ti to the shopping cart, Vega keeps popping up in the back of my head. Don't even know whether to wait or just get the ṭi. I am hesitant mostly because the 290X aged better than both 970 and 780ti so seems to me AMD supports their older products better than NVIDIA. When I try to get a Ryzen I keep hearing reports about how AM4 mobos are failing and aren't on par with Intel as far as overall stability and quality goes. Ugh I will remain stuck on a 970 and FX 8350 and never build my rig at this rate.

 

[JediFragger]

Whenever I try to add a 1080ti to the shopping cart, Vega keeps popping up in the back of my head.

If you intend to keep the card for 4-5 years then wait for Vega, it's only a few months away now.

 

[V F]

If you intend to keep the card for 4-5 years then wait for Vega, it's only a few months away now.

That was what they said 4 - 5 days ago.

 

[JediFragger]

That was what they said 4 - 5 days ago.

I'm thinking paper launch end of July then card availability end of August (like Polaris). Gives them a little breathing room if they really are struggling for the HBM2 capacity.

 

[ljt]

Whenever I try to add a 1080ti to the shopping cart, Vega keeps popping up in the back of my head. Don't even know whether to wait or just get the ṭi. I am hesitant mostly because the 290X aged better than both 970 and 780ti so seems to me AMD supports their older products better than NVIDIA. When I try to get a Ryzen I keep hearing reports about how AM4 mobos are failing and aren't on par with Intel as far as overall stability and quality goes. Ugh I will remain stuck on a 970 and FX 8350 and never build my rig at this rate.

With regards to the AM4 boards. If you're running stock clocks then stability is pretty much spot on. The stability issues creep in when you try to overclock the CPU and also running memory above officially supported frequencies. The memory issue should get better over time with BIOS updates, but if you're running stock settings, stability shouldn't be an issue.