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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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I like the hypocrisy on some here. From one side they demand from AMD to stick to deadlines (they set themselves via rumour **** websites like WCCFTECH) like they are the AMD bosses and majority stockholders, on the other hand they do not want half made product. But something far superior than the competition at half the price.....
 
Lord_ZED said:
ID like to see it running some VR games since its main purpose of upgrade for me. The bios moded 980ti is sweating in VR :D
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Grab a 1080Ti for VR. I am playing Elite Dangerous with 2xSS and it is breezing through it. So smooth and responsive and as it is your Birthday, it would be rude not to (happy Birthday BTW) :)
 
Panos said:
I like the hypocrisy on some here. From one side they demand from AMD to stick to deadlines (they set themselves via rumour **** websites like WCCFTECH) like they are the AMD bosses and majority stockholders, on the other hand they do not want half made product. But something far superior than the competition at half the price.....
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I don't like unrealistic expectations either, I would just like 2x the performance of a 1080ti for 1/4 of the price.
 
Panos said:
I like the hypocrisy on some here. From one side they demand from AMD to stick to deadlines (they set themselves via rumour **** websites like WCCFTECH) like they are the AMD bosses and majority stockholders, on the other hand they do not want half made product. But something far superior than the competition at half the price.....
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Made funnier by the fact that people said Ryzen should have been delayed by a couple of months so that more work could be done on the bios.
 
I think it will be a good card, but it is simply releasing too late now. It is going to have an extremely short shelf life unless it is a decent bit faster than a 1080ti (unlikely). Nvidia will probably release the GV104 chips/cards within about 6 months of Vega's release, which will likely be a decent bit faster than a 1080ti and make Vega look obsolete.

Personally i would be hesitant to buy Vega because of this, unless it was very keenly priced (based on the assumption that it isn't any faster than a 1080ti).
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Made funnier by the fact that people said Ryzen should have been delayed by a couple of months so that more work could be done on the bios.
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Yea and those same people would be throwing Ryzen under the bus if it did indeed come out later. Its happening to Vega right now even though AMD said 1H Vega release. Vega FE card is being released 27th of June which means Vega has met that deadline. AMD didn't ever say they was going to release their whole line up and SKU on day one. Even nVidia have a staggered release but hey its AMD and it's cool to hate on them. I understand people's frustration when waiting (hence why i got a 1080Ti) but making stuff up like Vega is late AMD delayed again is nonsense. D.P. Where you at bro i thought you usually like telling the truth and all that???
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Made funnier by the fact that people said Ryzen should have been delayed by a couple of months so that more work could be done on the bios.
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Well personally I think they should have waited another month at least. The first few BIOS updates drastically helped performance.

I mean just look at the scathing Gamer Nexus launch day review. "i7 in productivity, and an i5 for gaming", with Ryzen at 2133Mhz RAM matching Ivy-Bridge in their games suite.
While a month later BitWit tested 1700 @ 4Ghz vs 7700K @ 5Ghz, and found an overall 7% difference in their games suite.

That month difference was rather drastic for performance. Deadlines are deadlines though; and I remember reading rumors that motherboard makers didn't expect Ryzen to be as good as it was, and so didn't prioritize motherboard BIOS, and features either until the very last engineering samples appeared.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Well personally I think they should have waited another month at least. The first few BIOS updates drastically helped performance.

I mean just look at the scathing Gamer Nexus launch day review. "i7 in productivity, and an i5 for gaming", with Ryzen at 2133Mhz RAM matching Ivy-Bridge in their games suite.
While a month later BitWit tested 1700 @ 4Ghz vs 7700K @ 5Ghz, and found an overall 7% difference in their games suite.

That month difference was rather drastic for performance. Deadlines are deadlines though; and I remember reading rumors that motherboard makers didn't expect Ryzen to be as good as it was, and so didn't prioritize motherboard BIOS, and features either until the very last engineering samples appeared.
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Yea i heard that rumor too. Even Actually hardcore overclocking who does gamernexus PCB and VRM breakdowns said something like that. They used cheaper components and rushed things because they didn't want to waste time on ryzen because they didn't think it would be that popular or successful. Now they have seen the demand they are putting more effort in.
 
Panos said:
I like the hypocrisy on some here. From one side they demand from AMD to stick to deadlines (they set themselves via rumour **** websites like WCCFTECH) like they are the AMD bosses and majority stockholders, on the other hand they do not want half made product. But something far superior than the competition at half the price.....
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Are you deluded or something? AMD stated H1 for consumer Vega (after changing it from Q1) yet they're not going to launch til the very end of July, with cards possibly 4 weeks after that (as per the Polaris 'launch'). I don't know what your definition of H1 is to you, but for me they're missing it by miles...
 
r7slayer said:
Yea i heard that rumor too. Even Actually hardcore overclocking who does gamernexus PCB and VRM breakdowns said something like that. They used cheaper components and rushed things because they didn't want to waste time on ryzen because they didn't think it would be that popular or successful. Now they have seen the demand they are putting more effort in.
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Oh certainly, Asus are bringing out an ROG Strix B350 motherboard of all things as well. They've all drastically shifted effort.
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B350-F-GAMING/

One only needs to look at a features and builds of the upcoming Threadripper motherboards, and those new Dimm.2 slots. They're drastically better overall than my Asus X99 Deluxe motherboard even.

I'm extremely excited for Threadripper vs Skylake X for my next potential system, so much so I might not bother waiting for Zen 2 cores, or Coffee Lake X.

I'm excited for Vega, even the Frontier Edition. As I want a card that'll do workstation/productivity and gaming well, and it might sit right between there for me. Just depends on price.
 
JediFragger said:
And if it's $1200+ due to the HBM2, would you still consider it?
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If the performance numbers for SolidWorks are as accurate as they presented, and the gaming performance is just below Titan Xp I actually would.

Twice the performance in SolidWorks, better in Video work and DaVinci Resolve, and slightly lower gaming performance compared to the £1200 Titan Xp.

Although at that price, I'll also consider waiting for the Radeon RX version to see if AMD has cut some proffesional performance.
If it's £800 or less probably I'll snap it up.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Well personally I think they should have waited another month at least. The first few BIOS updates drastically helped performance.

I mean just look at the scathing Gamer Nexus launch day review. "i7 in productivity, and an i5 for gaming", with Ryzen at 2133Mhz RAM matching Ivy-Bridge in their games suite.
While a month later BitWit tested 1700 @ 4Ghz vs 7700K @ 5Ghz, and found an overall 7% difference in their games suite.

That month difference was rather drastic for performance. Deadlines are deadlines though; and I remember reading rumors that motherboard makers didn't expect Ryzen to be as good as it was, and so didn't prioritize motherboard BIOS, and features either until the very last engineering samples appeared.
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Seems like chicken and the egg situation. On the plus side seems like they are taking threadripper more seriously. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/image...e27016f87aa8a586b8996aef29e411cd28d506562.jpg
 
JediFragger said:
Are you deluded or something? AMD stated H1 for consumer Vega (after changing it from Q1) yet they're not going to launch til the very end of July, with cards possibly 4 weeks after that (as per the Polaris 'launch'). I don't know what your definition of H1 is to you, but for me they're missing it by miles...
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Possibly you are the deluded. AMD said H1 2017 the Vega card will be out. That date is going to be met on June 27th with the FE card.
I do not see, the issue here. When NV released the GTX1080 in MAY 2016, the first cards hit the market were on pre-order only 2 months later. And took all way to August to be able to go and order a GTX1080 from stock.
 
JediFragger said:
Are you deluded or something? AMD stated H1 for consumer Vega (after changing it from Q1) yet they're not going to launch til the very end of July, with cards possibly 4 weeks after that (as per the Polaris 'launch'). I don't know what your definition of H1 is to you, but for me they're missing it by miles...
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Go google Q2 and 1h and see what dates are given. Then tell me if AMD are not meeting that date with the release of Vega FE. Which is just like the Titan cards. Not aimed at gamers but still can be used for gaming.
Raja even said you can game on the FE and it will be great performance but you are better waiting for the RX lineup that will come after as it will have better gaming performance and be optimised for gaming.
 
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