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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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ubersonic said:
It's a bit of a shame that the price jumps by $100 between the Reference Design and the Limited Edition just for an aesthetic upgrade that people without case windows will never see. Considering it then jumps $100 again for the Limited Edition Liquid it would have been cool if they had made a Reference Design Liquid for $100 less :(
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The extra $100 is not just for the aesthetics, it comes with a few games and money off a Ryzen 7 CPU and motherboard, and FS monitor. At least it does in the USA.
 
JediFragger said:
People are gonna pay it though, as the reference cooler is gonna be dog****
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I know, to be honest I want an AIO one and if the bundle is worth something for resale I may recoup some back. Though logically we should wait for decent AIB custom cooled versions.
 
ubersonic said:
I may have misread this, but the issue is that they demonstrated how TIM spreads on the TR IHS using the dummy TR chip AMD sent lots of reviewers. How exactly does that break NDA? The size of the IHS has been common knowledge for months and not under NDA, they could have done the video using a Xmm by Ymm piece of card instead of the fake TR and it would have made no difference.

AMD gone full retard.
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They should have just given them a warning as what he did does not sound like a big deal. Say if he broke NDA and released a review early, then I would understand, but for how TIM spreads on TR?

alec said:
I can forgive marketing blunders, huge delay, uninspiring performance at launch, even the power consumption.

But then they go and ask that price?
I feared we would see repeat of Fiji launch failure. No, this time it is even worse.
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Exactly.

What are AMD smoking these days I don't know. Maybe AMDMatt can tell us, must be some strong stuff :p
 
alec said:
I can forgive marketing blunders, huge delay, uninspiring performance at launch, even the power consumption.

But then they go and ask that price?
I feared we would see repeat of Fiji launch failure. No, this time it is even worse.
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Unfortunately for us the cards have been designed with Data centers in mind rather then gamers and enthusiasts, if you look at Vega from a Data Center POV it's very competitive given it's raw compute performance. Gamers are very much secondary these days as profit margins are much higher in the HPC market.

Also look at the competition, Nvidia has so much going for them in terms of brand appeal and from a technology base. You have to appreciate that graphics cards are not so much about the hardware but the software that drives them and it's there were Nvidia have left AMD for dust when it comes to getting the most out of DX11 with their better core scaling, better hardware/software scheduler, better geometry render and better shader utilisation.

Frankly what Nvidia have been able to achieve with DX11 and it's software approach is a wonder of modern coding. The draw back is that approach costs a lot to maintain this approach but they know that AMD are not able to match them and as a result Nvidia is in no hurry to see DX12 and Vulkan become mainstream API's which puts more emphasis on software developers to code for the hardware. There's nothing about Vega that changes any of this, AMD needs to push the industry towards these newer API's and only then will we see the full potential of GCN.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Unfortunately for us the cards have been designed with Data centers in mind rather then gamers and enthusiasts, if you look at Vega from a Data Center POV it's very competitive given it's raw compute performance. Gamers are very much secondary these days as profit margins are much higher in the HPC market.

Also look at the competition, Nvidia has so much going for them in terms of brand appeal and from a technology base. You have to appreciate that graphics cards are not so much about the hardware but the software that drives them and it's there were Nvidia have left AMD for dust when it comes to getting the most out of DX11 with their better core scaling, better hardware/software scheduler, better geometry render and better shader utilisation.

Frankly what Nvidia have been able to achieve with DX11 and it's software approach is a wonder of modern coding. The draw back is that approach costs a lot to maintain this approach but they know that AMD are not able to match them and as a result Nvidia is in no hurry to see DX12 and Vulkan become mainstream API's which puts more emphasis on software developers to code for the hardware. There's nothing about Vega that changes any of this, AMD needs to push the industry towards these newer API's and only then will we see the full potential of GCN.
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Sadly it's not given the 1:16 FP64 support, it won't get a look in edgeways for most of the HPC market.


Vega 20 should change that. Vega 10 just seems incomplete. It has HBCC which is clearly designed for HPC and not gaming, but it missed out on the critical performance for that market
 
AMDPower said:
http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3016-amd-moves-vega-56-embargo-forward-prioritizes-over-64
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Although we were told we wouldn’t be sampled, following our defiance of AMD’s decision to express favoritism by permitting only select reviewers to publish early Threadripper data, we will still have Vega content ready on embargo lift dates. We’ve sourced information and parts elsewhere.
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The good thing to come out of it is they'll release reviews that aren't sugar-coated and will tell it like it is.

I can understand AMD having NDAs but what I don't understand is why they allow certain outlets to break them and have exclusive reviews. Why not keep it the same for everyone. It must be difficult enough with reviewers in different timezones.
 
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