Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[Minusorange]

Are you planning to overclock it and do you overclock your cpu?

Unsure depends how good they are and how much extra heat an OC will produce and 4770k with a slight OC to 3.9 (used to have it higher but I started getting random bsods so reset it and left it to use intels auto boost setting)

It's a gold rated PSU. It got great reviews. It should be fine. If you bought it on release, nearly 5 years ago, I would just check and make sure the fans are ok.

Ok thanks

 

[AMDPower]

AMD is giving us so little to work with, assuming EXACTLY same performance as 1080. Ok no problem I can live with this type of performance but not at the same price as a 1080, that does not work after being 1 year late and almost double the power draw. It really needed to be £450 in price for me to bite.

I might as well get a 1080TI even though I really want to support AMD unfortunately they are not giving their fans much to work with and also the water cooler version is almost £600 for £30 more i can a 1080ti which probably 30-40% faster at stock let alone overclocked.

The only thing that would save AMD would be the mining performance, IF Gibbo is correct then they will fly out the door and so will the price.

 

[Morve]

AMD is giving us so little to work with, assuming EXACTLY same performance as 1080. Ok no problem I can live with this type of performance but not at the same price as a 1080, that does not work after being 1 year late and almost double the power draw. It really needed to be £450 in price for me to bite.

I might as well get a 1080TI even though I really want to support AMD unfortunately they are not giving their fans much to work with and also the water cooler version is almost £600 for £30 more i can a 1080ti which probably 30-40% faster at stock let alone overclocked.

The only thing that would save AMD would be the mining performance, IF Gibbo is correct then they will fly out the door and so will the price.

Exactly, i just built a new Ryzen system so would like to go all AMD, but i wont if the price isn't right

 

[Hotwired]

AMD won't need saving as long as cards sell faster than they can make them.

It's not a massive secret that vega is nothing special for gaming, looks like it's coming in exactly at 1080 performance while using more power.

So if miners do nick the lot at least it's money in the bank for AMD to get on with the next versions.

 

[DazQ87]

AMD won't need saving as long as cards sell faster than they can make them.

It's not a massive secret that vega is nothing special for gaming.

So if miners do nick the lot at least it's money in the bank for AMD to get on with the next versions.

True, but if they lose any more of their fanbase and their market share among gamers shrinks even more then there won't be much point in releasing a navi gpu because the chances are more people will have given up and bought into the nvidia ecosystem and g-sync. Heck the only reason I haven't bought a 1080ti yet is because i have a freesync monitor, and if I cant get vega AIO at a reasonable price point I will just buy a 1080ti, I'll happily sacrifice freesync for +35% performance if they both cost the same amount or vega is more than the cheapest AIB 1080ti.

 

[FoxEye]

True, but if they lose any more of their fanbase and their market share among gamers shrinks even more then there won't be much point in releasing a navi gpu because the chances are more people will have given up and bought into the nvidia ecosystem and g-sync. Heck the only reason I haven't bought a 1080ti yet is because i have a freesync monitor, and if I cant get vega AIO at a reasonable price point I will just buy a 1080ti, I'll happily sacrifice freesync for +35% performance if they both cost the same amount or vega is more than the cheapest AIB 1080ti.

The other thing... what happens if mining doesn't go away? If it's still here by the time Navi rolls around? If Navi cards are also great for mining?

If mining doesn't crash and GPU mining stays profitable for the next 12 months... it will be a very, very bleak situation for all of us.

 

[five8five]

Unsure depends how good they are and how much extra heat an OC will produce and 4770k with a slight OC to 3.9 (used to have it higher but I started getting random bsods so reset it and left it to use intels auto boost setting)

If you're seriously considering Vega liquid and overclocking it I think you should think about getting a higher rated PSU.

 

[Minusorange]

If mining doesn't crash and GPU mining stays profitable for the next 12 months... it will be a very, very bleak situation for all of us.

What we need is a third or even fourth manufacturer to start competing with Nvidia/Amd or at least go into making pure mining cards which beat everything else. Kind of like what happened with the ASIC builds for Bitcoin

The ideal scenario would be all coins go proof of stake, there's enough coins already out using it to show it works but unfortunately it's difficult to get it adopted on the coins which the miners have invested hundreds of thousands on hardware to basically build a monopoly and dictate how a coin will fork. It was a big enough battle just getting Bitcoin to adopt segwit

And it's incredibly ironic that the point of Bitcoin and altcoins are primarily to avoid centralisation, YET we have centralisation by the miners dictating the direction a coin will go, Miners right now are basically the big banks and it's not going to go away, there's too much money invested into Crypto for it to die now, the bubble might burst eventually but for at least the next 10/20 years it's just going to rise as the Bitcoins become more valuable because there's only a finite amount and potentially infinite demand

If you're seriously considering Vega liquid and overclocking it I think you should think about getting a higher rated PSU.

Awww you sure ? I know it's Gold rated 700W but it's technically Platinum, one of the reasons I went for it when I was doing my build back then.

If it's the case I need a PSU then I may as well use that £100+ and just get a 1080Ti instead

 

[Roughneck]

What we need is a third or even fourth manufacturer to start competing with Nvidia/Amd or at least go into making pure mining cards which beat everything else. Kind of like what happened with the ASIC builds for Bitcoin

once upon a time there was many many card makers, but they all got bought over or went out of business,

some that come to mind

Imagination Technologies (PowerVR),SIS,VIA,tseng labs,3dfx,Matrox(still on the go)

i guess the reason its down to 2 is just how cut throat it is, Nvidia I think makes more profit than the whole of AMD (graphics and cpu)

 

[WeSbO]

Raja was saying not long ago (can't remember which video, maybe Siggraph) that there are so few dGPU manufacturers, because of the amount of work and money that has to go into driver development, and yeah when you think about it, in the PC hardware sector I can't really think of anything off the top of my head that requires as much work (constant work and updates) on the software side as GPUs do.

As for the mining problem, we have to remember that the "GPU rush mining craze" isn't that old it only really started around early june (yeah there have been some little spikes before but nothing like now), i'm guessing that if the mining with GPUs really becomes a long term thing that could potentially last for years, Nvidia and AMD will release mining specific GPUs with adapted architectures and all, not just current gen GPUs stripped of their outputs...

 

[Minusorange]

once upon a time there was many many card makers, but they all got bought over or went out of business,

some that come to mind

Imagination Technologies (PowerVR),SIS,VIA,tseng labs,3dfx,Matrox(still on the go)

i guess the reason its down to 2 is just how cut throat it is, Nvidia I think makes more profit than the whole of AMD (graphics and cpu)

Oh I know in the past there was more, I had a few different Voodoo versions back in the day

Can you imagine what the landscape would be like, if these fallen card companies were just starting up now when gaming is fully developed as opposed to being in its infancy back then, the amount of choice and great prices we'd get and the quest for power from them all to be the best.

It's horrible how there's only 2 and it's really really strange for such a large market

 

[JediFragger]

Awww you sure ? I know it's Gold rated 700W but it's technically Platinum, one of the reasons I went for it when I was doing my build back then.

Nothing is set in stone yet tbh man, let's just wait and see what result real-world usage will bring

 

[JediFragger]

Nvidia I think makes more profit than the whole of AMD (graphics and cpu)

nVidia are making billions per year whilst AMD are still losing money.

 

[HEADRAT]

I will let the dust settle, read the reviews then probably get one around Xmas when the price has had time to settle down, my FuryX will see my through until then.

 

[mid_gen]

It's horrible how there's only 2 and it's really really strange for such a large market

It's a very, very expensive market with an absolutely ruthless technology curve to try and stay ahead of....this thread is a case in point!

 

[Bazzards]

If the mining craze continues, there will be no hope. Miners will purchase all cards regardless, provided they can turn a profit on them.

Removing display ports would have limited effect.

 

[ubersonic]

Coolermaster V700 will it be enough for the AIO Vegan ?

Should be fine, it's a 700w Seasonic unit which is closer to the platinum rating than the gold rating.

 

[ubersonic]

What we need is a third or even fourth manufacturer to start competing with Nvidia/Amd

It will never happen, S3, Matrox and SiS tried back in the early 00's, then Volari tried later in the decade. Nobody bought their cards because they weren't better for the money than Nvidia/ATi and nobody is going to burn their money on an inferior card just to help promote competition. It's the same with non Intel/AMD CPUs, this is the grave the PC community have dug for ourselves.

 

[Yaayuh!]

If you're seriously considering Vega liquid and overclocking it I think you should think about getting a higher rated PSU.

Awww you sure ? I know it's Gold rated 700W but it's technically Platinum, one of the reasons I went for it when I was doing my build back then.

If it's the case I need a PSU then I may as well use that £100+ and just get a 1080Ti instead

Gold and Platinum are just efficiency ratings, not a reliability or direct quality rating. There's marginal difference between the two, so just go for the best manufacturer/brand and read reviews to ensure it uses decent components and doesn't have ridiculous ripple or anything.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Naturally though if you look at excellent power supply reviewers like jonnyguru it's mostly platinum ones that come out on top.