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I haven't seen any quotes from Arsene in regard to knowing Ramsey was already injured, I can't imagine he would just play somebody if they were carrying an injury, especially when it's a position we're pretty well stocked in.
 
I haven't seen any quotes from Arsene in regard to knowing Ramsey was already injured, I can't imagine he would just play somebody if they were carrying an injury, especially when it's a position we're pretty well stocked in.

Seriously are you sure that Wenger has never played a player when carrying a slight injury?? Lol the old senile French idiot does it all the time, he doesn't seem to understand that small concept of rotation. To him that's a dirty word lol and because of his reluctance to rotate, we end up with players with injuries and out for mths.

I'll just say Sanchez last season;)
 
There is a BIG problem at Arsenal at the moment. No one is telling us what is really the problem.

I cant be bothered to go through all the issues. It's been the same for the last 5+ years.

I don't expect us to win everything, but at least show ambition. That's what lacking at the moment and it's depressing.

You don't boo your team when they've given 100% and lose. You say well done boys lets try and improve for the next one. But Arsenal are not showing the right ambition at the moment.

This is going to be a very painful season for Arsenal. We are not ready for the season ahead yet and by Sat we could have lost our first two games. Basically thrown away 6 points right at the beginning of the league.
 
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Meh. I don't have anything to base this on other than what I've read of him and the way he conducts himself in interviews but he always came across to me like the kind of chairman who would be sticking his nose into the manager's business, telling him which players to pick etc. A few years ago he was constantly talking about how much he loves the club and what a big supporter of Arsenal he is, clearly he can't be that big a fan and it looks like he just wants a plaything.

I prefer the financial stability we have now and an owner who doesn't try to dictate to Wenger things he knows nothing about.
 
Whereas I and probably many other Arsenal fans want an owner who is interested in winning trophies for the club and not use it to leverage it against his other failing sports teams ;).

I also don't think Usmanov would be a good owner for Arsenal either, he's had some rather shady dealings in the past.

All I'd like to see is our owner giving a freaking toss about the club, at the moment he doesn't and for me that last worrying.
 
Whereas I and probably many other Arsenal fans want an owner who is interested in winning trophies for the club and not use it to leverage it against his other failing sports teams ;).

I also don't think Usmanov would be a good owner for Arsenal either, he's had some rather shady dealings in the past.

All I'd like to see is our owner giving a freaking toss about the club, at the moment he doesn't and for me that last worrying.

Someone with that much power, I'm quite happy for them to just be in the background and not meddle in managerial affairs. I do like Arsene and he's done so much for the club, but I do believe our transfer market failings are more down to him than Kroenke not giving a toss. For example I'm completely certain we have more than enough resources to go and sign Lacazette if we wanted, in Wenger's eyes he's clearly not worth Lyon's valuation whatever that may be. It's the same with all the dilly dallying over Mustafi, but then as someone else pointed out before this is how negotiations work, yes we may offer what appears to be an insultingly low offer for certain players, but relatively speaking we're a big club and an attractive club for 90% of players. If someone gets wind that we're interested in them and they're not already playing for one of the European big boys then there's always the chance they or their agent could try to force the move through themselves.
 
The problem is I think that the clubs we are looking to purchase from know just how dire the situation is.

Lacazette isn't worth 50m Euros - but Lyon don't particularly want to sell him, and they know we're desperate for a striker. So of course they're going to hold out until we come in with an offer that's too good to turn down.

I imagine the situation is the same with the Mustafi transfer, they would probably have taken £23m before Gabriel got injured, you can sure as **** bet his price went up when they saw that on TV.
 
Effectively, revenue is growing, wage spend is growing, transfer spend is growing, but Arsenal stay the same. When you get 100mil more and give another few mil to Walcott, 5mil a year and 16mil to nab Welbeck, buy 3 not good enough defenders, etc... all that money gets used up. We make a fair profit and have a fat bank account but Wenger is too stubborn to buy the depth we need BEFORE we need it.

Even if we get Mustafi, we should have secured his signing before summer, had him for day 1 of preseason, he would have trained with the team, would have an understanding with his team mates. WE still aren't rushing to get it done. Wenger has every single year refused to get the depth we need before we need it. LAst year it was plain as day Arteta/Flamini both weren't good enough and weren't fit enough to be back up and when Coquelin was injured we had a couple months before buying Elneny who barely got used for a couple of months. Had we bought him before pre-season him and Coquelin rotated would have left us without that two month gap and Coquelin might not have got injured if he wasn't overused.

Same stuff every single damn year. Even rarely when he buys depth, he'll just bench the old player and overplay the new one, literally hasn't learned anything in the past decade.
 
Every year it's the same at Arsenal. Injuries, Wenger says the teams good enough to win the league, we don't plug the obvious gaps in the squad, we lose out on signing good players as Wenger wont spend the extra 2-3 mill on them...

We lose our first game, do well until Xmas then collapse, knocked out of champions league at last 16.

He is delusional. I'm excited at the thought of one day having a new manager.

Honestly if Mourinho had come in to the Emirates think of the things he would have done by now. :o

We are not competitive anymore. We have no bite. We are going to lose Ozil and Sanchez.

He operate like it's 1998. He wont pay over the odds as he thinks he knows the worth of players and so wont pay in an over inflated market. But then we lose out on players which other teams sign.

Football is a game of whats bad for one team is good for another.

We've got more resources than Spurs and even they are improving in the last few years. So he has no excuse.

This is his last year of his contract, if it doesn't go well (which it doesn't look like it will) this could be his last. There is going to be a lot of unrest in the stands this season.

I remember hearing that Wenger doesn't get a lot of support in transfers? I.e we dont have a big team of negotiators or something along those lines....
 
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Every year it's the same at Arsenal. Injuries, Wenger says the teams good enough to win the league, we don't plug the obvious gaps in the squad, we lose out on signing good players as Wenger wont spend the extra 2-3 mill on them...

We lose our first game, do well until Xmas then collapse, knocked out of champions league at last 16.

He is delusional. I'm excited at the thought of one day having a new manager.

Honestly if Mourinho had come in to the Emirates think of the things he would have done by now. :o

We are not competitive anymore. We have no bite. We are going to lose Ozil and Sanchez.

He operate like it's 1998. He wont pay over the odds as he thinks he knows the worth of players and so wont pay in an over inflated market. But then we lose out on players which other teams sign.

Football is a game of whats bad for one team is good for another.

We've got more resources than Spurs and even they are improving in the last few years. So he has no excuse.

This is his last year of his contract, if it doesn't go well (which it doesn't look like it will) this could be his last. There is going to be a lot of unrest in the stands this season.

I remember hearing that Wenger doesn't get a lot of support in transfers? I.e we dont have a big team of negotiators or something along those lines....
Since david dean left its gone downhill in terms of transfer dealings
 
I've often wondered what it is exactly Arsenal fans want, especially the more vocal Wenger haters.

A new manager coming in and spending £100m would, ultimately, probably not win us the league. We can protest all we want but with the exception of the odd anomaly (Blackburn, Leicester), the league is bought. No disrespect to City, Utd fans etc but these clubs can pay the most money to get the best manager and in turn those managers can spend the most money on the best players. It's just the reality.

Wenger knows this and so thinks "I could spend 40mil on Lacazette and 25mil on Mustafi but will they actually win us the league?" The answer is probably no right? Does anyone think they would? I don't.

So Wenger is maybe trying to get the best deal, no matter how much it frustrates the fans, because he thinks saving 5-10mil is worth it as we are probably not going to win the league anyway.

Look at Liverpool. They have a new manager and some new players and no matter how well they played for 20mins at the weekend, their chances of winning the league are really no better than ours.
 
Last year turned into a Arsenal vs Spurs vs Leicester fight.... the difference in the spending between them is night and day. We spend probably 3-4 times what Leicester do on wages, almost twice what Spurs do... yet we lost out in that fight? Why?

The issue ISN'T money, because last year when all the big spenders took themselves out of the fight leaving us with a FAR bigger gap to the other teams going for the title than the gap is between Arsenal and Utd/City or Chelsea(who we have a higher revenue than btw).... we still lost? How, mentality, despite bigger squads, more players, higher paid players, seen to be better players like Ozil and Sanchez, our tactics, our inability to see games out, the same defensive mistakes from corners, the same **** players and Wenger's inability to see where the gaps are in the squad cost us. Not lack of money, but Wenger. Wenger himself alone cost us the title last year, not lack of money.

We were only 10-15m behind in wages, in a ~200mil wage bill, to Utd/Chelsea/City, while those behind us, well Liverpool were around 140mil and Spurs and below are really below the 100mil mark. When Utd/Chelsea/City have a bad year, Liverpool also, we have twice the financial power (of Spurs, it's way more for smaller clubs) yet we still didn't win?

Every team has a swing in performances, 2 great years, one okay year, one dire year, then another great year... etc. No team has 50 great years over and over. One year you get no injuries, another you get half the squad due to bad luck, the following year you're awesome again. So in any given 10 year long period, Utd, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Liverpool and Everton WILL have bad years, this is football, so will Arsenal. So one year it's harder for City to win the league because Utd/Chelsea have bad years, another year it's easier for City as everyone else has a crap year......

Arsenal, every year is a 'bad' year. We have league winning spending, people just chose to ignore it. It costs less to put a squad together when you don't change the manager every three years, stop overlooking this. Manager A joins, spends 300mil, leaves, manager B comes in, dislikes half those players, over 3 years he spends 300mil... the squad doesn't have twice as many players, he replaced half of them.

Wenger is manager during Manager A's era, he buys the team he wants, when manager B comes in, Wenger is still manager, and he already has the team he wants, he doesn't need nor want to replace half of it for a massive cost.

Wenger stands alone in the entire european footballing region(and probably the world) as the manager with the ability to plan long term, to buy the kids he thinks will be starts 5 years from now, to buy a cheap 18 year old rather than the same player at 23 and 70million more. Wenger has a monumental advantage in picking and choosing every last player, youth and senior, for the past couple of decades.

We have a similar wage bill to the other top clubs, the problem is Wenger chooses to spend a lot of that money on bad defenders, Walcott, and until recently, Diaby, Arteta(who was both poor and never fit in the past few years) the desperate move for Flamini, Welbeck, and again we pay youth players more than most other clubs and also chose never to use them.

Liverpool have significantly more chance of winning the league because they have a manager who can actually win, a mentality that means they can win from a tough position, they are learning and improving and I doubt they'll come particularly close this year, but in the next few years I see them mounting a more serious challenge than we have, ie being within 5 points at the end of a season, not fluffing up every single time we get a chance to secure a lead in the league.

Arsenal have mentality issues, when we screw up and end up 10 points behind we go on an amazing run, get back to the top, then throw it away with a dismal performance against a West Brom or Sunderland. When we find ourselves on top, we crack and drop a bunch of points then pick up form again when the pressure of being on top goes away, every year like clockwork.

Arsenal have significant financial muscle, we just chose to pretend we don't because Wenger spends his money on a huge wage bill, lots of youth players we don't see and doesn't make lots of headlines in the transfer market.


Saving money, if we can't win the league either way... means not much of anything, firstly it's the fans who put the money into the club, the only reason for Wenger to save money if he genuinely doesn't believe we can compete, is if he gets a percentage of profits we make in the year. On top of that, sponsorship is a huge source of income, the better you do the more money you make, saving 5mil on a defender can have the knock on effect, if it delays the deal by months, of costing you multiple places in the league and costing you money elsewhere. Also again, if Wenger cared so much about pinching pennies, why did he repeatedly give Diaby and Rosicky new deals, Walcott wages far beyond what he's worth when absolutely no other club is interested in him at the wages he wants. He pinches pennies in one players but throws money down a drain somewhere else, that is what frustrates fans.

He'll ignore lack of depth in defence and he'll ignore lack of quality in defence, but he'll buy 15 more central midfielders, attacking or defensive, when the club is over loaded with central midfielders who can't get a game.

Wenger has no long term plan, his youth system isn't working, it's bringing through almost no one and considering our youth system is one of the most expensive in the league seeing what say Southampton are doing in comparison makes it a joke. He doesn't seem lack of depth in a position and it costs us every single year, he puts his faith in players who clearly aren't close to good enough and that costs us every single year. He stated we absolutely didn't need a striker as we had top players who would be almost impossible to better, named Welbeck, Walcott, Giroud and Sanchez... then after we threw away the lead and ended up 10 points behind he bemoaned not having a world class striker... when many many better out and out strikers have moved for fees we can certainly afford in the past 2 years.
 
He was terrible against Liverpool

He wasn't the only one who was terrible was he?? I seem to recall Chambers was just as bad as well.

He had a better game against Leicester. Don't forget he's young and has a lot to learn which he will as he gets more playing time. For the money we spent on him he seems to be a decent prospect and someone for the future. I just hope Wenger keeps playing him so he gets more confident in the future.
 
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