The Black Friday 17 Thread! - pls make sure you understand competitor rules

Em3bbs said:
Much more integration to what? My Ring doorbell already integrates with Alexa and my Echo devices (which I doubt Google Nest will), my Fire TV (again I doubt Nest will), Smartthings and IFTTT. I can't see what else I'd need.
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Integrate with home smart thermostats. Other smart cameras. Smart lighting. Basically everything Nest already integrates with.

Again I do believe Nest and Alexa are fully compatible so your assumptions are wrong.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...-and-Fire-TV&usg=AOvVaw2syDdGSBPLerWYqwqQCWms
 
Tone1979 said:
I can't seem to locate that Samsung. Looking at an LG55UJ701v now.
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LG has superior built in sound it's the best i have heard without the TV's that have added soundbars. Front glass panel. Wider viewing angles Best build quality.

Cons are 8bit with dithering so not real HDR and I believe not true 4K either as every 4th pixel is a white one using rgbw instead of rgb. However I don't think these are hugely groundbreaking most people wouldn't know unless you tell them.

mmj_uk said:
4K isn't really a necessity though, wouldn't it be far easier to make smaller 1080P panels?
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4K is a necessity these days. everything is moving that way. Especially if you have Sky Q, Netflix and Amazon Prime.

mmj_uk said:
A 1080P OLED would still **** all over 99% of LCD's for picture quality and there's still very few TV channels that are even 1080P, the majority of use for a TV today is still standard definition content.
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Maybe for the average joe. You are forgetting this is a tech forum. People on here are willing to spend £70 on a colour changing light bulb and £200+ on a doorbell. Therefore they want and use the latest tech and 4K is that.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
LG has superior built in sound it's the best i have heard without the TV's that have added soundbars. Front glass panel. Wider viewing angles Best build quality.

Cons are 8bit with dithering so not real HDR and I believe not true 4K either as every 4th pixel is a white one using rgbw instead of rgb. However I don't think these are hugely groundbreaking most people wouldn't know unless you tell them.
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Thanks for this, appreciated :)
 
Tone1979 said:
Thanks for this, appreciated :)
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Put it this way I have had 2 folk come round both of which own proper full 4K panels (sony and samsung) and both of them said the colours on mine look better. so the RGBW IPS panels with the glass front IMO looks better and so it does in theirs and you don't notice the loss of 25% of pixels at all. people are 4K is too high a res anyway unless you have a HUGE screen or sitting 2 inches away from it.

1 of them also questioned if I was using my surround sound system as the sound was astonishing to him. I wasn't as my speaker wire hadn't arrived yet. So the speakers were all in position but nothing to connect and power them up with. He was shocked at how good the sound was. Tbh it's that good you don't need a soundbar or surround sound unless you are an enthusiast.

The build quality is akin to rolls royce. Superb premium feeling product not like a flimsy cellotaped together samsung. Sony I would say are the number 2 in the build quality department of tv's so I would possibly look at their models alongside LG and pick whatever looks best to you.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Put it this way I have had 2 folk come round both of which own proper full 4K panels (sony and samsung) and both of them said the colours on mine look better. so the RGBW IPS panels with the glass front IMO looks better and so it does in theirs and you don't notice the loss of 25% of pixels at all. people are 4K is too high a res anyway unless you have a HUGE screen or sitting 2 inches away from it.

1 of them also questioned if I was using my surround sound system as the sound was astonishing to him. I wasn't as my speaker wire hadn't arrived yet. So the speakers were all in position but nothing to connect and power them up with. He was shocked at how good the sound was. Tbh it's that good you don't need a soundbar or surround sound unless you are an enthusiast.

The build quality is akin to rolls royce. Superb premium feeling product not like a flimsy cellotaped together samsung. Sony I would say are the number 2 in the build quality department of tv's so I would possibly look at their models alongside LG and pick whatever looks best to you.
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So you have an RGBW panel?

Interesting as I've been looking at an LG SJ800v but was majorly put off by what I read about RGBW.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Put it this way I have had 2 folk come round both of which own proper full 4K panels (sony and samsung) and both of them said the colours on mine look better. so the RGBW IPS panels with the glass front IMO looks better and so it does in theirs and you don't notice the loss of 25% of pixels at all. people are 4K is too high a res anyway unless you have a HUGE screen or sitting 2 inches away from it.

1 of them also questioned if I was using my surround sound system as the sound was astonishing to him. I wasn't as my speaker wire hadn't arrived yet. So the speakers were all in position but nothing to connect and power them up with. He was shocked at how good the sound was. Tbh it's that good you don't need a soundbar or surround sound unless you are an enthusiast.

The build quality is akin to rolls royce. Superb premium feeling product not like a flimsy cellotaped together samsung. Sony I would say are the number 2 in the build quality department of tv's so I would possibly look at their models alongside LG and pick whatever looks best to you.
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I've been looking at the UJ634V and the UJ701V... how do you rate that PS?
 
antijoke said:
So you have an RGBW panel?

Interesting as I've been looking at an LG SJ800v but was majorly put off by what I read about RGBW.
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Yeah. You can't tell it's missing some pixels. I use 4K netflix. Sky Q, Amazon prime 4k and HDR content. All look superb. It's crystal clear. the glass front panel gives it a real premium finish and look. the only downside is it's reflective. So no bright lights in front of the screen. I just turn the light off in that room and use lamps in corners whenever the TV is on. You had this same issue with plasmas back in the day. Glass has reflective properties so it's the downside for a premium feel and look. Glass just makes a panel look so much better. I have a top of the range Sony LCD tv too and it's finish is nowhere near as good.

rhysduck said:
I've been looking at the UJ634V and the UJ701V... how do you rate that PS?
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No idea but the 701V should be better than the 634V. If they have improved upon the year before models which is what I have the UH you cannot go wrong.

You have to remember LG actually make their own panels not a lot of companies do that. Sony don't make any panels any more for instance buy buy them in. So LG have full control over the panels, R&D, etc they have been making monitor panels for decades too. They have plenty of experience and are market leaders. They are also at the forefront of OLED panel technology.

The only other tv's I would look at are Sony's models and compare them. Try and have a look at both in a large John Lewis store. Be sure to reset both tv's to default (in case someone has fiddled with the settings) and change both to their cinema mode or professional mode rather than default as that is usually the best out of the box setting.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
4K is a necessity these days. everything is moving that way. Especially if you have Sky Q, Netflix and Amazon Prime.
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Will those services not work on 1080P TV's? you say it's a necessity but most people would be perfectly happy with 1080P. I'd bet that a lot of households still use a 720P TV or less for viewing what little 1080P content they have. There's still only about half a dozen HD channels on Freeview/Freesat.

Psycho Sonny said:
Maybe for the average joe. You are forgetting this is a tech forum. People on here are willing to spend £70 on a colour changing light bulb and £200+ on a doorbell. Therefore they want and use the latest tech and 4K is that.
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Exactly, the average joe are the biggest market that's why I don't understand why they aren't at least being given the option. Even ignoring the 4K debate 55" is just too big for a lot of people who like to stick a TV in the corner of the room. 32"-40" OLED would be wildly popular due to the superior picture quality assuming there was no silly OLED tax.
 
mmj_uk said:
Will those services not work on 1080P TV's? you say it's a necessity but most people would be perfectly happy with 1080P. I'd bet that a lot of households still use a 720P TV or less for viewing what little 1080P content they have. There's still only about half a dozen HD channels on Freeview/Freesat.



Exactly, the average joe are the biggest market that's why I don't understand why they aren't at least being given the option. Even ignoring the 4K debate 55" is just too big for a lot of people who like to stick a TV in the corner of the room. 32"-40" OLED would be wildly popular due to the superior picture quality assuming there was no silly OLED tax.
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My mate just stuck a 75" in the corner of his room so go figure. Average Joe's thinking is the bigger the better regardless of picture quality. They will walk into asda and pick up a 55" polaroid TV for £300 just because it's 55" and £300.

Anything below 40" is effectively dead now in the TV market. I would say the average size of the largest TV in the average home is easily 50" these days.

OLED doesn't have a silly tax. It's a new technology which costs a lot more to produce and is superior. It's also had billions put into R&D that needs to be recovered for it as well as brand new fabrication labs. LCD has been around for like 30 years OLED not even 10.

All PC monitors are LCD, the costs of producing LCD panels has never been lower.
 
EVH said:
Amazon Unlimited Music £0.99 for 3 months. I'm already a subscriber and find it excellent, so this is an immense deal if you're looking to join a streaming service.

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/amazon-music-unlimited-3-months-for-099-amazon-new-subs-2827381
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thing that bugs me about this is that I already had music through my prime membership (well I still do I guess), they then introduce a new paid music service on top of this and surprise surprise a bunch of albums that I used to get via prime disappear and they want additional payment for the non-crippled music service
 
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EVH said:
I'd say it's probably closer to 42"
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Correct its 42" up from 32" probably due to price.

I thought Sonny use do constantly fap to his Panny GT Plasma lol

I've had my £5k OLED cash aside for years now but after the delayed launch and they were all curved then I thought there is nothing my Kuro does not do for me now and the build quality is far better.

I've had to put new boards in both my mums LG' LCD's just out of warranty due to cheap parts (not CAPS).
 
Psycho Sonny said:
My mate just stuck a 75" in the corner of his room so go figure. Average Joe's thinking is the bigger the better regardless of picture quality. They will walk into asda and pick up a 55" polaroid TV for £300 just because it's 55" and £300.

Anything below 40" is effectively dead now in the TV market. I would say the average size of the largest TV in the average home is easily 50" these days.

OLED doesn't have a silly tax. It's a new technology which costs a lot more to produce and is superior. It's also had billions put into R&D that needs to be recovered for it as well as brand new fabrication labs. LCD has been around for like 30 years OLED not even 10.

All PC monitors are LCD, the costs of producing LCD panels has never been lower.
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Most people say woah massive TV when they see my 49” - although it is a diddy house :p

Last year I could not tell any ‘material’ difference between the OLEDs and the LCDs set up in Richer Sounds save when they demo’ed some particularly dark clips for a potential purchaser. To the extent there was a difference I wouldn’t say it was worth double the price of the TV - although I would say that because I was ‘cheap’ and ‘only’ spent £1k on a TV :p

When a decent 60” OLED is available for a grand - that’s when I’ll invest in my next TV... although I suspect I’ll be waiting for awhile!
 
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