The disappearance of Nicola Bulley

Zatoichi.uK said:
I'd like to think that it it was her partner, he would be smart enough to limit his exposure on TV segments.
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Just so we are clear I am not saying he did it. However it is a thing that in some instances, people who commit crimes are really involved with “solving” the crime they committed . This includes behaviour such as visiting the site of the crime, organising/participating in searches and doing interviews.

Some thing to do with a weird personality trait.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Just so we are clear I am not saying he did it. However it is a thing that in some instances, people who commit crimes are really involved with “solving” the crime they committed . This includes behaviour such as visiting the site of the crime, organising/participating in searches and doing interviews.

Some thing to do with a weird personality trait.
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He apparently has an air tight alibi, though I've no idea what it is.

I don't know what I think about the case anymore. It's all a bit odd.
 
We have really only 3 ideas.
The most logical she went in the river and is washed out. Weeks possibly before a body appears or even never.
She was abducted. in a busy area in about a 15 to 25 minute window at most. Incapacitated and carried to a transport as clearly she is not in surrounding areas. That is a body of what 70 to 80 kilos at least? Hmmm That would take planning and timing and stalking and be a local most likely. That would not be a random event.
Last idea is a scam, life insurance or whatever some scam that will fruit when she is presumed dead and she willingly went off to some transport and vanished to be presumed dead. Bit of a hard thing to do to your kids though.
The final mad mental theory is the conspiracy facebook mob that is some kind of psy op to distract us from ufos landing or some other garbage.
 
ChrispyKarma said:
We have really only 3 ideas.
The most logical she went in the river and is washed out. Weeks possibly before a body appears or even never.
She was abducted. in a busy area in about a 15 to 25 minute window at most. Incapacitated and carried to a transport as clearly she is not in surrounding areas. That is a body of what 70 to 80 kilos at least? Hmmm That would take planning and timing and stalking and be a local most likely. That would not be a random event.
Last idea is a scam, life insurance or whatever some scam that will fruit when she is presumed dead and she willingly went off to some transport and vanished to be presumed dead. Bit of a hard thing to do to your kids though.
The final mad mental theory is the conspiracy facebook mob that is some kind of psy op to distract us from ufos landing or some other garbage.
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probably not 80kg, but fully clothed in a long, heavy winter coat I wouldn't be surprised at ~60kg+, and that would either be a kicking and struggling person, or someone limp both of which are probably lot more difficult to move quickly over a distance on grass/field than some think, and a very high risk strategy for whoever.
It also wouldn't explain why the dog was still there imo, as the dog might miss her going into the water, but unlikely to miss/be quiet for the time it would have taken for an attack and being carried away.
 
Yeah, spaniels are generally very clingy, I’m almost certain it would have been making an absolute racket, and would have followed her if someone had abducted her.

I suspect that she fell in and the dog was busy running around or playing and maybe didn’t know she’d gone in,

Maybe she had an unknown health problem and she passed out or tripped, banged her head and just went right in.

I’m very much of the opinion that she did go in the river, perhaps she was washed a very long way very quickly, because they’ve clearly been looking in the wrong area.
 
Screeeech said:
Yeah, spaniels are generally very clingy, I’m almost certain it would have been making an absolute racket, and would have followed her if someone had abducted her.

I suspect that she fell in and the dog was busy running around or playing and maybe didn’t know she’d gone in,

Maybe she had an unknown health problem and she passed out or tripped, banged her head and just went right in.

I’m very much of the opinion that she did go in the river, perhaps she was washed a very long way very quickly, because they’ve clearly been looking in the wrong area.
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I agree with you.

I think the cold subdued her very quickly. This is a well known dangerous river. So is the coast. The currents are lethal.
I think she most likely fell and was instantly in trouble because of the cold. Within minutes she would have been incapacitated, unconcious and twenty minutes later, dead. I'm surprised that she managed to drift to the sea without being spotted but that is not impossible and once she reaches the sea there is almost no hope that she will be found.

The only other possibility is that she did a Lord Lucan here and ran away, staging her apparent death. That seems unlikely though.

I don't buy the abducted thing at all.
 
ChrispyKarma said:
We have really only 3 ideas.
The most logical she went in the river and is washed out. Weeks possibly before a body appears or even never.
She was abducted. in a busy area in about a 15 to 25 minute window at most. Incapacitated and carried to a transport as clearly she is not in surrounding areas. That is a body of what 70 to 80 kilos at least? Hmmm That would take planning and timing and stalking and be a local most likely. That would not be a random event.
Last idea is a scam, life insurance or whatever some scam that will fruit when she is presumed dead and she willingly went off to some transport and vanished to be presumed dead. Bit of a hard thing to do to your kids though.
The final mad mental theory is the conspiracy facebook mob that is some kind of psy op to distract us from ufos landing or some other garbage.
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I'm leaning more towards no.2 although no.3 isn't impossible and has occurred before, there's an ITV drama about it 'The Thief, His Wife And The canoe'.

If she had gone into the river I think the dog would have gone in after her.
 
I think it's best to rely on evidence rather than make up stories.

When a diver involved in the search says they're 100% certain she hasn't gone in the river the most we can really conclude is that all avenues of investigation should have, and should remain, open.

Any other speculation is just that. As for randoms rocking up to the area, if they disturb potential crime scenes they should be charged.
 
Has anyone considered person or persons unknown tried to take the dog, the woman intervened and was either knocked or fell in the river, or was injured / killed and taken away, in the ensuing panic the dog was left behind? Young Spaniels have considerable value to those who are into gun dogs, or sell to such people.
 
Was the dog wet? I think on a cold morning if the dog had been in the water at all it would have still been wet after 10 minutes. I've had 2 springer spaniels and they remain wet for ages and have a damp smell on them until they are fully dried off.
 
BowdonUK said:
Was the dog wet? I think on a cold morning if the dog had been in the water at all it would have still been wet after 10 minutes. I've had 2 springer spaniels and they remain wet for ages and have a damp smell on them until they are fully dried off.
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The dog was dry, which makes the idea of her falling in the river much less likely.
 
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Chris Wilson said:
Has anyone considered person or persons unknown tried to take the dog, the woman intervened and was either knocked or fell in the river, or was injured / killed and taken away, in the ensuing panic the dog was left behind? Young Spaniels have considerable value to those who are into gun dogs, or sell to such people.
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The thing is, that the there were numerous people about who saw her, and also cctv from a number of different entry and exit points to that area, which they’ve used to catch up with all of the witnesses.

If there was somebody unknown they’d have probably been seen or showed up on cctv and the police would have put up an appeal to talk to them, like the did with several of the other witnesses (woman with pushchair and someone else, seen on cctv)
 
adidan said:
As for randoms rocking up to the area, if they disturb potential crime scenes they should be charged.
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It hasn't been designated as a crime scene. Everyone has the right to visit the area should they so choose to, providing it doesn't involve breaking and entering into private property. The walk paths, the fields, the bench and even the river itself are public.
 
It's becoming tiring to make the asssumption that the dog would have followed it's owner into the river. Dogs aren't humans. My dog would often go into a field with me for a walk, but on occasion would sit at the field verge and go no further. There was no rhyme or reason for this and sometimes we would become out of view of each other as he headed back home.

Never underestimate a dogs unpredictability though.
 
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It was a Friday morning, after school run time. Last I read, only two witnesses saw her on the path or fields, one at 0847 and another at 0910, with the dog and mobile found ~0935.

~25mins is plenty of time to vanish via a fall into the river, or any other means. Someone reasonably fit could be ~2 miles away simply walking at a brisk pace.
 
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