The Division. Are we interested?

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Twirlywoos said:
Do you always chat **** or have you made an exception because of your affiliation with Ubishaft?

Do you know why people chose PC gaming over console?

Atleast your head is out from the sand, it's almost like the closer we get to the beta release the more your guilty conscious is compelled to reveal the truth.

Big coorporate companies need people like you (loyal employees), weak minded shills and deceitful content creators who are willing to lie to get their pay cheque, free lunches, exclusive content and views. It's the consumer who is the biggest loser when they are sold something that was misrepresented and hoodwinked. It's why for the past 2 years I don't even watch videos from certain youtubers as I don't support their deceitful acts. If AngryJoe has done the same then without hesitation I will stop watching and unsubscribe from his videos.

So thanks for telling us it looks nothing like the E3 reveal. It shouldn't have been forcing a blood out from a stone.

People like TB can't be bought for a poultry price and if that is the case then everyone needs to sieve the chaff from the wheat and support the right people and put and end to deceitful content creators by unsubscribing and never watching their videos again.
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Heaven forbid the guy enjoys working for his employer and sees the positives over the negatives.

It's like people are suggesting he has planted into the forum to encourage sales?! I'm pretty sure people have the intelligence to decide whether to buy the game without mid gen telling you "wait and see".

Whatever it swings UBI have definitely got my interest and I presume others as well, a boarder lands style game in New York sounds great and no one played BL for the GFX fidelity.

Would love to be involved in the beta but I presume it will be 10gig plus which will be a couple of hours download. Then I guess the servers will crash or there will be long timeouts trying to connect. Seems strange to do it over a short period of time when I'm guessing it will very popular.

Will it be to test server load? I guess it's late to change any fundamental game mechanics. Or perhaps it's a traditional demo under a different guise?
 
It's been leaked already that it's probably ~25GB. Preload two days before the beta starts though.

Given the way beta codes have been handed out willy nilly I guess the aim is for a stress test, everyone with a geforce experience account for starters! Going to be a *lot* of people on next weekend.
 
TonyTurbo78 said:
just annoys me these youtube celebs....and I use that word very loosely, are all like Zomg it's almost as good as the E3 videos. I'd rather they just said yes it's slightly better than console as you would expect, but nowhere near the level of E3. Just tell the blinking truth that's all I want.
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Preach brother Tony!

That is all that I want.... I am not necessarily "happy" with how the game looks but the gameplay in that leaked PC footage looks solid and damn good imo and the graphics are certainly "passable" especially once a good sweetfx config is out, I think it will really transform the game. I honestly am looking forward to next weekend's beta.

I'm sure that many of us would have been happy with this "true" footage back in 2013 rather than being mislead initially again.

I just hate seeing this nowadays in games and having people post/say politician answers making it out like the game will look just as good as the e3 2013 footage when it won't is what all my "ranting" is largely about.

And again, the fact that they had all those features/effects ready/working and showed it all on a 3 year old PC shows that they could have easily left those features in the PC version, heck possibly even improved upon them even further as 3 years is a long time for not just PC tech. advancement but also game development.

How a 980 compares to the top end single GPU 3 years ago (680)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1348?vs=1351

As gregster and all like to keep saying about gameworks effects, they are there to give extra graphic fidelity and immersion to said games, they can be turned off for those who can't run them so thus everyone wins, is it any different here?
 
Nobody has been arguing that the game does look exactly the same as the E3 2013 trailer, so just chill out on that one. It looks good, very good in fact, just not the same as that trailer.

Having sat in meetings where the unfortunate conclusion is "this feature isn't going to make it into the release". The reasons for that have never included "We don't want to make the game look too good", or "let's take this feature out just to spite PC gamers". I haven't seen or heard anything to suggest to me that the Massive team have done anything but their best to make the PC version as good as they possibly can. *Everyone* I work with is a passionate gamer and does strive to release a good product, and it narks to hear people talking as if they are a bunch of crooks out to swindle people. Should probably just avoid game forums :P

Anyway, I've never hidden my allegiance when posting on Ubisoft products, you're all free to take my comments with as big a pinch of salt as you wish! :)
 
mid_gen said:
I haven't seen or heard anything to suggest to me that the Massive team have done anything but their best to make the PC version as good as they possibly can.
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How can you say that when we saw this game playing 3 years ago with far inferior hardware, to where we are with the game today?

I'll rephrase that, and this is just my interpretation of what happens today regarding the PC scene. "we can't make the PC so superior to the console version, which undoubtedly is way more important to us than pc. What's the furthest we can push the graphic envelope on console, we'll port that code to pc at a higher resolution with some extra effects, but we can't give the PC a game that will look twice as good as on console which is our main target audience"
 
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The PC footage definitely looks terrible but if this is true about Ambient Occlusion being missing in that video then it makes a lot of sense.

I'm taking an extremely skeptical wait and see attitude but if I enjoy the beta, and I see some decent reviews from day one players then I'll probably get it. What I definitely won't do though is pre-order.
 
Well if that's true then fair play. Cannot wait to see the full visual options available in the BETA.

Still doesn't explain the streets looking empty compared to the E3 videos though.
 
Are there any console gamers that refuse to buy games because the PC version looks better? This seems to be the root of your assertion and I have a very hard time believing it.

Besides, if they buy on Uplay instead of console....more profit! No slice being taken by MS or Sony :)
 
no that's not my assertion, my point being those people would just go and buy the PC version, another no sale for the failed next gen console and the potential downfall of the worst console gen to date. Deals are struck up between game companies, Sony and Microsoft to have exclusivity first and foremost to console, PC gets shafted time and time again. Lets face it here, PC hardware is 2, 3, 4, pick a number, times more powerful than console yet the final product is never representative of what can be achieved if a team could solely focus on the PC version. It's not just Ubi doing it, it's across all developers, console first, PC last.

We get all these lies, people being paid to talk up the dev team regarding not shafting the PC version, yet time and time again the PC version comes to the table and it's nothing like what was shown or promised. This game 3 years ago was shown with all these wicked effects, they focused on all this cool tech and highlighted what is now possible with this engine, the game is pushed back and it arrives nothing like what was teased to us. If they wanted to do their best without their hands being tied, then the conversation around the table 3 years ago should have been "guys we've got this amazing tech available to us now, here's what we've pushed out at E3, how can we better this, where can we go from here to really make a game with the wow factor"

Excuse me for being annoyed, but when I'm shown something which I buy into then get my pants pulled down, I'm obviously going to vent my frustration and talk about why I'm disappointed. It's a bit like Bullseye, now look what you could have won.
 
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Richie said:
I'm going to play the Beta and make my judgement from there including the actual gameplay... To refuse a game simply because of slightly lower graphics is silly. I rate games on the actual gameplay.
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I'm not spending time or money to play a beta and give Ubi the benefit of the doubt, when we can already see the gameplay and graphics have been downgraded. It's up to Ubi to convince me to want the game, and what they've shown (and haven't shown) hasn't convinced me to part with my money.

When you factor in all their history and continued promises of how they've changed which all just end up being empty words.... Ubi are going to have to work a lot harder to get me to be interested in their products than just offering to take my cash after a couple of made-up screenshots.

Where's the actual demo where I can try the game myself? Where's the free week of playtime so I can test all these "play it yourself and decide" suggestions? Let Ubisoft put their money where their mouths are. I'll spend my time if they are willing to give us a proper demo, but until then they are not getting any of my money. Ubi has burned too many bridges for me to simply trust that they've had some kind of epiphany and they are all saints now.
 
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Long gone are the days of gameplay ruling for some it seems. Graphics only :(

Some of my favourite games are grphically pap but the gameplay is there, so I enjoy it. I won't be buying this if it doesn't have the gameplay when I try the Beta but if it does have gameplay, I will and that is that.
 
Looking back at the screenshots etc. it does look like there is no ambient occlusion thus everything looking "flat", just like batman arkham knight when first released. So with some ambient occlusion, it should look quite a bit better.

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mid_gen said:
Nobody has been arguing that the game does look exactly the same as the E3 2013 trailer, so just chill out on that one. It looks good, very good in fact, just not the same as that trailer.

Having sat in meetings where the unfortunate conclusion is "this feature isn't going to make it into the release". The reasons for that have never included "We don't want to make the game look too good", or "let's take this feature out just to spite PC gamers". I haven't seen or heard anything to suggest to me that the Massive team have done anything but their best to make the PC version as good as they possibly can. *Everyone* I work with is a passionate gamer and does strive to release a good product, and it narks to hear people talking as if they are a bunch of crooks out to swindle people. Should probably just avoid game forums :P

Anyway, I've never hidden my allegiance when posting on Ubisoft products, you're all free to take my comments with as big a pinch of salt as you wish! :)
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Well some of the responses have made it out like the game is as good looking as the e3 2013 footage. Those 4k screenshots touted as gameplay footage look like the e3 2013 material imo so when yourself and others reply saying something like "it doesn't look as bad as people thought, right?"... it gives the impression that we are being told the game will look more or less as good as e3 2013. If you or anyone can replicate the exact same screenshots as those 2 4k screenshots without any mods/sweetfx/photoshop etc., I'll eat my hat.

Fair enough, I won't comment on the division since it hasn't been released yet and we still don't know what is what "exactly", however, how do you explain watch dogs and all the e3 effects that the guru3d community re-enabled on the PC with no issues? Not to mention that they also got the game to run better at the same time.
 
Gregster said:
Long gone are the days of gameplay ruling for some it seems. Graphics only :(

Some of my favourite games are grphically pap but the gameplay is there, so I enjoy it. I won't be buying this if it doesn't have the gameplay when I try the Beta but if it does have gameplay, I will and that is that.
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Is this why you buy these expensive cards and monitors Greg and in your Gregster reviews talk about graphics and cool effects. We all love graphics, gameplay and the core of the game sure is more important, but if Chuckie Egg came along today, none of us would be interested. Thing is Greg, I'm not annoyed at how the game looks, it's looks decent enough and the gameplay looks brilliant, I've been interested in this game for a long time regardless of how good or poor the visuals turn out to be. What annoys me is the blatant BS regarding what the PC looks like, people saying things like trust us guys, the pc version looks like the 4k screens I'm playing it or it almost looks as good as the E3 footage etc.....No it doesn't....Don't do that. It's the lies that annoy me, just show me something that's totally representative of what I'm buying, not what I could have 6 years down the road.
 
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mid_gen your defence for Ubisoft/Massive is admirable and obviously justified since they pay your wages, but you have to understand from our point of view as joe public we know how the PR machine works. You probably cannot sit there and bring the devs into disrepute by ****ging off the games graphics as I doubt they'd be very happy. We all know that the final game will not look like the old E3, even you admitted that but judging by the PC gameplay video doing the rounds, it still does not look very "PC" with the extra bells and whistles over the console versions. It just looks like the XB1 footage but sharper, thats it. Frankly this is what is ******* me off as they - and to some degree you - continue your attempt to convince us it looks graphically amazing.

I also do not agree with this AO bug justification being talked about as no amount of AO is going to make a **** worth of difference. Yes ok, it will marginally help to improve the visuals if it is infact not working at the moment but thats not enough. All sorts of aspects to the visuals have been downgraded so the PC falls in line with the consoles thanks to all the political BS of game development across different platforms , it really is that simple.

We all know its an old trick to showcase amazing visuals at E3 and then downgrade them, it happens all the time but unfortunately Ubisoft are one of the worst culprits for doing it.

I does make me wonder, once TD is out - either beta or final game - and the modding community get their hands on the game files how many files they find are named 'e3' just like they did in Watch Dogs. Unsurprisingly most of the e3 entitled files from WD were disabled, the most famous being the vehicle headlight shadows feature. The final game they were nowhere to be seen and then some clever modders discovered this feature among many others buried in the WD files and re-enabled them. The end result was real time shadows of objects like people crossing the road in front of cars an casting a shadow. Now you have to wonder why this feature was disabled - not fully deleted - and remained in the WD final game files. Id bet - hopefully I dont eat my words - its because this feature was not in the console version.

This brings us back to the whole debate over why the PC version is looking suspiciously bland and very console like.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
This. Hard to believe that the people that put so much emphasis on graphics these days are the same people that are killing creativity and variety.
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Only one part of a depressing story of corporate waste, Ubisoft is just far too inefficient a company frankly. It is literally impossible to be creative under the reality that a company that has to employ nigh 10000 people, isnt caring too much about the individuals in their industry, they are all just lackeys they can fire because there's about a 1000 other people waiting for the same job.
 
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