The England Cricket Thread

The_One · 28 Jul 2023 at 13:59

Lets go!

SoliD · 28 Jul 2023 at 14:01

Broadys on one.

Sankari · 28 Jul 2023 at 14:01

Good grief, wickets are tumbling now. Utterly shambolic.

manic111 said:
You must be over the moon that this is probably Broad's last test against you

I am!

SoliD · 28 Jul 2023 at 14:02

And the crowd are backing it up.

manic111 · 28 Jul 2023 at 14:15

Woakes is so good - it's a shame he's not 5 years younger, he's basically suffered from being too similar to Anderson and around at the same time

manic111 · 28 Jul 2023 at 14:32

Jimmmyyyy

Freddie1980 · 28 Jul 2023 at 15:25

Root chipping in now the wickets. Carey is bit of plonker, completely obvious what England were trying to do and he fell for it.

SoliD · 28 Jul 2023 at 15:44

a lovely turnaround since lunch!

SoliD · 28 Jul 2023 at 16:16

Controversial.

fez · 28 Jul 2023 at 16:23

Meh, marginal call whichever way it goes. Can't complain about that. The more I see comments from McGrath though the more I am convinced he is either on the wind up or just a massive *******.

manic111 · 28 Jul 2023 at 16:37

Have to say, I think it's probably out - the rules is that the stumps are broken when a bail is dislodged completely from the top of the stumps. Bairstow dislodged the off bail from the off stump, but it was still resting on middle when the ball entered his gloves. But it's 60/40, benefit of the doubt to the batsman, and I think the Aussies would understandably feel hard done by if it was given.

fez · 28 Jul 2023 at 17:09

manic111 said:
Have to say, I think it's probably out - the rules is that the stumps are broken when a bail is dislodged completely from the top of the stumps. Bairstow dislodged the off bail from the off stump, but it was still resting on middle when the ball entered his gloves. But it's 60/40, benefit of the doubt to the batsman, and I think the Aussies would understandably feel hard done by if it was given.

I think the only real question is whether he starts taking the stumps before he had the ball. Either way, marginal and you can't be too annoyed about it going either way.

fez · 28 Jul 2023 at 17:17

Smith didn't fancy coming out in the morning.

manic111 · 28 Jul 2023 at 17:24

fez said:
I think the only real question is whether he starts taking the stumps before he had the ball. Either way, marginal and you can't be too annoyed about it going either way.

My point was that I think he does, but he doesn't fully dislodge either of the bails before he has the ball so it doesn't matter. But agreed that it's marginal and right that the benefit of the doubt goes to Smith in that case. Just an interesting point on the rules really!

Edit: Also, I've not checked but given how close it was it wouldn't surprise me if, by the time he does have the ball and fully dislodge the bails, Smith is in anyway

Participant · 28 Jul 2023 at 17:54

Murphy is more than handy with the bat. Could almost be an all rounder judging on this performance.

fez · 28 Jul 2023 at 18:04

manic111 said:
My point was that I think he does, but he doesn't fully dislodge either of the bails before he has the ball so it doesn't matter. But agreed that it's marginal and right that the benefit of the doubt goes to Smith in that case. Just an interesting point on the rules really!

Edit: Also, I've not checked but given how close it was it wouldn't surprise me if, by the time he does have the ball and fully dislodge the bails, Smith is in anyway

I'm not entirely au fait with the rules on that. Surely if you take any amount of the bails before you have the ball you are gaining an advantage vs waiting until you have the ball. Lets say you get them 90% of the way off before you get the ball then you only have to move a tiny distance to finish the job vs how far you would have to by waiting.

fez · 28 Jul 2023 at 18:14

Aussies depth of batting has got them out of quite a few bad positions in this series.

manic111 · 28 Jul 2023 at 18:24

fez said:
I'm not entirely au fait with the rules on that. Surely if you take any amount of the bails before you have the ball you are gaining an advantage vs waiting until you have the ball. Lets say you get them 90% of the way off before you get the ball then you only have to move a tiny distance to finish the job vs how far you would have to by waiting.

I agree with you in principle, but the rules are pretty clear - if the stumps are broken before the ball arrives with the keeper then he needs to pull a stump out the ground. But they're only broken if a bail is completely dislodged at both ends.

What would have been interesting is it Bairstow had removed a bail before receiving the ball, then continued to break the stumps with ball in hand before Smith got in. I think that by the letter of the law Smith wouldn't be out unless Bairstow pulled a stump out the ground, but that would feel pretty unfair (albeit justified for his clumsiness!)

SoliD · 28 Jul 2023 at 18:36

5 Live were saying that the comment from MCC was to agree it was out. @manic111

Honours even, but could so easily have been a lot more in Englands favour if the bowlers had continued to get through those wickets after Tea. But should be a good last 3 days as think there is some batting there and England should be looking to bat like they did in the last test, settle in and then look to take shots on, not go for it from the off.

manic111 · 28 Jul 2023 at 18:45

SoliD said:
5 Live were saying that the comment from MCC was to agree it was out. @manic111

Honours even, but could so easily have been a lot more in Englands favour if the bowlers had continued to get through those wickets after Tea. But should be a good last 3 days as think there is some batting there and England should be looking to bat like they did in the last test, settle in and then look to take shots on, not go for it from the off.

And the MCC really covered itself in glorious impartiality earlier this series