Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[RaohNS]

Dennis Skinner is out and the BBC is more bothered about John Mouth Mann saying he was remain. Before his avuncular rant at Ken Livingstone I've never heard of him and given the tool he is wish I never had... Another idiot MP joins remain, this speaks volumes to me.

We all know which way the great Tony Benn would have voted too. That says a lot

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Well voting is now closed. Not be long now to get the results.

 

[Skunkworks]

I'm now undecided again, like slap bang in the middle undecided. My concern is that we exit but there is further backlash from member states, the EU does get a reform and we are stuck on the outside.

The EU is moving one way, I very much doubt they'll be any reform.

The alternative is to walk away and hope others do too. Then there might be a real chance of reform.

Nobody big enough has told the EU to **** off yet. If we do, and make it known we're up for free trade, and trade only, I can see others following.

 

[RaohNS]

You refer to people who want to remain in the EU as a collective in the context of the 'official' campaign - as if it is absolutely reflective. Perhaps you can explain to me:

a) how is it 'my' campaign? I am not campaigning for anything. It just so happens that my opinion is that we are better of in the EU for a number of reasons and I will vote as such. The 'campaign' has absolutely nothing to do with that.

b) why I should 'take a look at it'? I have no interest in it, I've done my own research and through my own experience and outlook in life, I've made my own decision. Both the official campaigns are a farce and to 'take a look' at them would serve only to reinforce my opinion that they are not worth my time.

True enough.

Who's campaign has more credibility... More believable and whom could you put your faith (your vote) behind to deliver what is promised. It certainly isn't remain.

 

[Felon]

True enough.

Who's campaign has more credibility... More believable and whom could you put your faith (your vote) behind to deliver what is promised. It certainly isn't remain.

I'm interested to know how you came to the conclusion that the remain campaign is more credible?

What were the biggest factors in you being able to make that analysis?

 

[Metallifux]

https://www.statisticsauthority.gov...stics-on-contributions-to-the-european-union/

I don't care who's bus it is, what's written on it is a misleading lie, and there's simply no way of defending it.

I'm not defending it either, in fact the figure on the bus has been my bugbear all along. Why can they not decide how much money goes to the EU. Surely the exact figure is held somewhere in the treasury. Both camps should have had access to that figure and both campaigned on the same amount.

 

[Jimbeam3678]

This is a rather silly way to come to a conclusion though as for every stupid 'remain' picture saying that there will be a 'leave' picture accusing everyone of treason or something.

There are daft people on both sides. Decide based on how you feel about the relevant facts, not because of who happens to support which side.

O wise Fox.
What should I do?
I can see the pro's and cons of both sides
Along with uncertainty for staying or leaving.
All this leaves me wondering,
How can anyone be certain?

I know this is like asking for the pros and cons of Apple V Android However here goes,could some kind person list the main Pros and Cons for both sides? I've read most of this thread , tried to watch last nights debacle and still none the wiser.

My very limited opinion on this is UK has been OK for me over the last 25 years and it could be a lot worse so why change? Genuinely undecided and I guess by default I'm siding with remain because I can't seem to access plain Pros and cons for both sides. I think I'm correct in saying that this is what a lot of people would like.

Anyone be kind enough

 

[RaohNS]

I'm interested to know how you came to the conclusion that the remain campaign is more credible?

What were the biggest factors in you being able to make that analysis?

Unfortunately full fact don't do things like that buy seeing as you asked:

Raohs Reasons v1.0
- remain has from inception used fear as a tactic
- leave has given plausible answers on options in the event of leave
- remain camp has some backers who are - to be charitable - devious in nature
- leave has been smeared in the press on the media as racist (eg its only ever Farage that gets hit on racism question, I didn't once see Gove, Dave or any other candidate have that thrown in)

When all factors are considered all performances and responses from leave in my mind fit the bill that they will deliver to me what I want and are more likely to do it professionally and not like some spoiled brats who are a step from the nesbits seen on SJW rallies

 

[John40]

I can't believe anybody could possibly be undecided on this vote, they are the sort of people who in life can never decided what to do, are full of anxiety and insecurity and must find it hard in the morning deciding whether to get up or not.

If you really can't make such a simple decision best to not vote at all.

 

[Felon]

I'm not defending it either, in fact the figure on the bus has been my bugbear all along. Why can they not decide how much money goes to the EU. Surely the exact figure is held somewhere in the treasury. Both camps should have had access to that figure and both campaigned on the same amount.

The figures are easy to find, I quoted them a few pages back from the government document and have used them a bunch of times, the actual cost of membership with the current figures is £160M per week, once all the steps are completed.

I haven't actually seen the remain campaign using the £350M figure, except during arguments with the leave camp, over it's legitimacy -

 

[Uther]

I'm not sure anyone can without having one agenda or another. I'm voting out, but I wouldn't try to sway you either way. I think half the country will only make their mind up when they are stood with a pencil in their hand at the ballot box. Not a great state of affairs.Blame our idiot politicians for this mess.

 

[Mr Jack]

Ipsos-Mori did a poll of economists on the damage that Brexit may or may not do:

Leaving the EU will not be a short term shock, followed by long term growth, it will be our country poorer for the long term.

 

[scorza]

Dennis Skinner is out and the BBC is more bothered about John Mouth Mann saying he was remain. Before his avuncular rant at Ken Livingstone I've never heard of him and given the tool he is wish I never had... Another idiot MP joins remain, this speaks volumes to me.

We all know which way the great Tony Benn would have voted too. That says a lot

John Mann is for Leave. It's good to see that the real Labour party still exists and is starting to rebel against the Islington elites of the party.

 

[Witor]

Voting Remain (Along with 90% of Gibraltar). Different scenario down in Gib, as a Brexit would see us enter a whole new world of pain with our Neighbors over the next few years. The rhetoric from across the border is already in full swing unfortunately.

 

[MichaelAwkward]

Voting Remain (Along with 90% of Gibraltar). Different scenario down in Gib, as a Brexit would see us enter a whole new world of pain with our Neighbors over the next few years. The rhetoric from across the border is already in full swing unfortunately.

What was the situation like before the EU?

 

[Felon]

Unfortunately full fact don't do things like that buy seeing as you asked:

Raohs Reasons v1.0
- remain has from inception used fear as a tactic
- leave has given plausible answers on options in the event of leave
- remain camp has some backers who are - to be charitable - devious in nature
- leave has been smeared in the press on the media as racist (eg its only ever Farage that gets hit on racism question, I didn't once see Gove, Dave or any other candidate have that thrown in)

When all factors are considered all performances and responses from leave in my mind fit the bill that they will deliver to me what I want and are more likely to do it professionally and not like some spoiled brats who are a step from the nesbits seen on SJW rallies

As far as I can tell, none of those things you list seem like factors you could consider, that would enable you to come to a conclusion on one side or the other.

Could you list out any specific points, that helped you make your decision - for example any of the plausible answers that leave quoted, in the event of a brexit?

 

[Trifid]

I can't believe anybody could possibly be undecided on this vote, they are the sort of people who in life can never decided what to do, are full of anxiety and insecurity and must find it hard in the morning deciding whether to get up or not.

If you really can't make such a simple decision best to not vote at all.

To be 100% in or 100% out is ridiculous. There are many good things about the EU and many bad things. Many people seem to think everything that comes out of the EU is solid gold (remembers back to the Netflix quota debate) and others think it is a loud of ****. It will be impossible for an individual to put a accurate weighting on all things involved and the lack of time machine and alternate dimensions to explore it, it will be impossible to know for certain how each path at the fork will play out.

 

[John40]

To be 100% in or 100% out is ridiculous. There are many good things about the EU and many bad things. Many people seem to think everything that comes out of the EU is solid gold (remembers back to the Netflix quota debate) and others think it is a loud of ****. It will be impossible for an individual to put a accurate weighting on all things involved and the lack of time machine and alternate dimensions to explore it, it will be impossible to know for certain how each path at the fork will play out.

I'm 100% out and not ridiculous. Anybody who is so half-witted that they find such a simple things is really beyond them shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.
I don't expect anybody to know exactly what will happen in the future.

 

[Metallifux]

The figures are easy to find, I quoted them a few pages back from the government document and have used them a bunch of times, the actual cost of membership with the current figures is £160M per week, once all the steps are completed.

I haven't actually seen the remain campaign using the £350M figure, except during arguments with the leave camp, over it's legitimacy -

They aren't using the figure you quote either. In fact they side step it at every opportunity. It would have been better for everyone if BoJo and Cameron had had a prior discussion and both campaigned on an open and honest figure.

 

[Delvis]

I'm 100% out and not ridiculous. Anybody who is so half-witted that they find such a simple things is really beyond them shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.
I don't expect anybody to know exactly what will happen in the future.

Simple? No wonder you're stating 100% out