Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[John40]

Simple? No wonder you're stating 100% out

What is the terrible problem ? go out and find out the facts if you don't believe anybody on either side tells the truth.

 

[RaohNS]

Ipsos-Mori did a poll of economists on the damage that Brexit may or may not do:

Leaving the EU will not be a short term shock, followed by long term growth, it will be our country poorer for the long term.

The same economists who failed to predict the crash the threats with the euro. They are rarely correct

 

[RaohNS]

John Mann is for Leave. It's good to see that the real Labour party still exists and is starting to rebel against the Islington elites of the party.

Pass me your shotgun scorza need shoot me foot

 

[RaohNS]

Voting Remain (Along with 90% of Gibraltar). Different scenario down in Gib, as a Brexit would see us enter a whole new world of pain with our Neighbors over the next few years. The rhetoric from across the border is already in full swing unfortunately.

Do tell

Want see what bully boy tactics are being pulled but not reported

 

[RDM]

I can't believe anybody could possibly be undecided on this vote, they are the sort of people who in life can never decided what to do, are full of anxiety and insecurity and must find it hard in the morning deciding whether to get up or not.

If you really can't make such a simple decision best to not vote at all.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts" Bertrand Russell

 

[John40]

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts" Bertrand Russell

If you are so unsure and full of anxiety surely best not to vote at all.

 

[RaohNS]

As far as I can tell, none of those things you list seem like factors you could consider, that would enable you to come to a conclusion on one side or the other.

Could you list out any specific points, that helped you make your decision - for example any of the plausible answers that leave quoted, in the event of a brexit?

Screeeech... I've posted them enough now already. I am going to get RSI of the fingers if I have to type em out any more. Look at the leave campaigns reasons. Most are mine. My main reason however is democracy... And no I wont be getting into the tedium of putting why the EU isn't a democracy as I've done that too many times as well

 

[ReltonBFD]

I'm now undecided again, like slap bang in the middle undecided. My concern is that we exit but there is further backlash from member states, the EU does get a reform and we are stuck on the outside.

The alternative is to walk away and hope others do too. Then there might be a real chance of reform. As said above the EU is a great idea but like all powers it has to accountable and regulated and I just feel this political union direction is dangerous.

Sound like you're wanting to leave to me.

 

[Tunney]

I can't believe anybody could possibly be undecided on this vote, they are the sort of people who in life can never decided what to do, are full of anxiety and insecurity and must find it hard in the morning deciding whether to get up or not.

If you really can't make such a simple decision best to not vote at all.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.”

- Bertrand Russell

Either option in this referendum has its own set of risks. Risks that may or may not pan out. Anyone who is certain that they've made the right decision is a fool.

EDIT: Beaten to it.

 

[FrenchTart]

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.”

- Bertrand Russell

Either option in this referendum has its own set of risks. Risks that may or may not pan out. *snip*

Absolutely agreed.

 

[Skunkworks]

Even if you’re 51/49, there are still only 2 options.

 

[John40]

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.”

- Bertrand Russell

Either option in this referendum has its own set of risks. Risks that may or may not pan out. Anyone who is certain that they've made the right decision is a fool.

EDIT: Beaten to it.

Does it matter if you've made the wrong decision at least you've made one, my point is why is it so hard to make one in the first place.

 

[Felon]

They aren't using the figure you quote either. In fact they side step it at every opportunity. It would have been better for everyone if BoJo and Cameron had had a prior discussion and both campaigned on an open and honest figure.

The way I see it, if both sides had used the correct £160M figure - it wouldn't have been that much of an issue, not only because both sides would be using the same figure, but because when you put that number alongside all the other aspects of weekly government spending - it's not that significant comparatively.

The way I see it - the leave camp are the ones not being open and honest, there's significant evidence for that, in the way that they're making misleading claims about the £350M, which I think is a very big deal.

The remain camp, may also be making misleading claims - but I haven't seen anything that directly proves this yet, but I'd be interested in hearing about it.

Screeeech... I've posted them enough now already. I am going to get RSI of the fingers if I have to type em out any more. Look at the leave campaigns reasons. Most are mine. My main reason however is democracy... And no I wont be getting into the tedium of putting why the EU isn't a democracy as I've done that too many times as well

Awr.

I thought you'd be champing at the bit to list a couple of simple points that would quickly explain the evidence you used, and what you considered when you sided with the leave camp.

 

[Gornall]

I'm 100% out and not ridiculous. Anybody who is so half-witted that they find such a simple things is really beyond them shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.
I don't expect anybody to know exactly what will happen in the future.

If you don't know what exactly will happen how can you be 100% anything? It's not half-witted to be weighing up the decision...it's half-witted to the contrary.

 

[toshj]

The same economists who failed to predict the crash the threats with the euro. They are rarely correct

It was difficult for an independent economist to have a complete overview of how leveraged a bank was on it's proprietary positions in structured credit, as that information is largely restricted to those within that organisation, and only a limited few within the organisation at that. Following the crash, almost every economist saw the Euro issue which was going to result from a downturn in peripheral European countries fortunes - it was the first thing that was flagged up as imminent. So they did see that coming.

This time round the economists have full access to the required information - legislation is public knowledge - and have provided their predictions thus. To say "well they didn't call the credit crisis so they can't call this" shows your profound misunderstanding of this issue, as you're simply tarring them all with the same brush and insinuating that these totally different situations (credit crisis vs Brexit) are essentially the same. As it doesn't suit your argument you're discrediting it.

Hubris. Plain and simple.

 

[Felon]

Does it matter if you've made the wrong decision at least you've made one, my point is why is it so hard to make one in the first place.

Rofl.

Imagine if you applied this line of thought to life in general:

#Heart surgeon - "Damn, I forgot - do I cut the big vein or the small one?"

#Nurse - "I dunno mate, what does the manual say"

# Heart surgeon - "ah **** it, I'll just cut the big one, aint got all day"

 

[Metallifux]

The way I see it, if both sides had used the correct £160M figure - it wouldn't have been that much of an issue, not only because both sides would be using the same figure, but because when you put that number alongside all the other aspects of weekly government spending - it's not that significant comparatively.

The way I see it - the leave camp are the ones not being open and honest, there's significant evidence for that, in the way that they're making misleading claims about the £350M, which I think is a very big deal.

The remain camp, may also be making misleading claims - but I haven't seen anything that directly proves this yet, but I'd be interested in hearing about it.



Awr.

I thought you'd be champing at the bit to list a couple of simple points that would quickly explain the evidence you used, and what you considered when you sided with the leave camp.

Try every claim the remain camp makes about what the economy will be like post brexit, they don't know, simple as, it's all guess work from both sides.

 

[John40]

Rofl.

Imagine if you applied this line of thought to life in general:

#Heart surgeon - "Damn, I forgot - do I cut the big vein or the small one?"

#Nurse - "I dunno mate, what does the manual say"

# Heart surgeon - "ah **** it, I'll just cut the big one, aint got all day"

Funny, it's referendum you know that's all.

 

[glenimp617]

The remain camp, may also be making misleading claims - but I haven't seen anything that directly proves this yet, but I'd be interested in hearing about it.

The ITV news readers invite someone to debunk any and all claims both sides make. Not sure if they post the full claims against facts on their website. Would be an interesting read, and a good place to find actual facts.

 

[RaohNS]

The way I see it - the leave camp are the ones not being open and honest, The remain camp, may also be making misleading claims - but I haven't seen anything that directly proves this yet, but I'd be interested in hearing about it.

Awr.

I thought you'd be champing at the bit to list a couple of simple points that would quickly explain the evidence you used, and what you considered when you sided with the leave camp.

Pretty clear you haven't been aware of the fear the remain camp have used despite the open hypocrisy. Dave said if we didn't get a deal we'll leave... Now miraculously its a bad idea . Blair now saying stay despite his official stance to get him into the Labour party was "out of European politics". There is much more a quick G will tell you.

Not at all... When you end up typing the same thing over and over that is factually accurate and people still have issue with it then you have them with the blinkers on.

Prime example being the pound to Euro rate. People lying about the pound losing value against the Euro yada yada then you put a line of trend on the 10yr rates and see its going up.

We have economists who have dubiously made assertions based on nothing in actual fact. They cannot substantiate their claims for one simple reason: Its never happened before. This isn't like me chucking a rock in the air and saying well... It is just going to carry on going up forever!

Trade and customers will sort the situation out but people believe that the EU (inc bullies) and the world will turn its back on £12trillion and trillions in derivatives and bonds. Money talks.