Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%

  • Total voters
    1,759
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I can see advantages to both to be honest, but am leaning more towards the leave option - I simply like the idea of having control over our own economy and laws.

Part of me wonders if the government will try to wiggle out of a leave vote but that would be political suicide to do it. I can't imagine Cameron being PM for much longer if we do leave the EU either.

Camoron and Gidiot will be gone after a leave vote as they will have zero credibility given their absolutely outrageous scare tactics and contempt towards the electorate during the whole campaign.

I'm a bit concerned about Boris being PM though.
 
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The government need to look at the numbers and realise something.

People are fed up with the EU, with immigration, fees, laws etc.

They need to say, 'okay we get it, it can't carry on as is. '

They are here to represent us, not dictate to us DC needs emergency meetings with the EU where he puts it in the line, we will leave if we don't get X y or z.
 
The government need to look at the numbers and realise something.

People are fed up with the EU, with immigration, fees, laws etc.

They need to say, 'okay we get it, it can't carry on as is. '

They are here to represent us, not dictate to us DC needs emergency meetings with the EU where he puts it in the line, we will leave if we don't get X y or z.

If the EU figureheads actually said, "OK, we get it, it's not working, we're committing to reform and here is the agenda...." I may actually vote remain. As it stands, the whole organisation seems completely impermeable to the idea of reform and unwilling to be transparent and accountable.

I suspect this may happen around the time that Juncker is only allowed Courvoisier VSOP for breakfast rather than Remy Martin XO.
 
Camoron and Gidiot will be gone after a leave vote as they will have zero credibility given their absolutely outrageous scare tactics and contempt towards the electorate during the whole campaign.

I'm a bit concerned about Boris being PM though.

Will there be anyone left in UK politics with any credibility in the event of a leave vote?

Boris is an incredibly divisive figure who has been shown to be calculating opportunist. Farage has been relegated to an irrelevance. Gove is pretty much hated by everyone except the right or the Tory party. Those who backed remain have been shown to be extremely naive. Corbyn is so toxic he's not even been allowed to campaign. The Lib Dems... meh.

Apparently Dave struck a deal with Brussels that they'll stay of the referendum unless Brexit looks a distinct possibility in the final week befor the vote. Thursday could be interesting.
 
If the EU figureheads actually said, "OK, we get it, it's not working, we're committing to reform and here is the agenda...." I may actually vote remain.

I think if Cameron had actually tried he could have discussed this with other EU members and gotten reforms closer to what people cite as wanting.

But he didn't really try. He paid lip-service to the idea, and came back and presented it as something different to what it was. I imagine in his head he would go to the EU for a few days, come back with good news, and the papers usually friendly to the Tories would dutifully toe the line and the population would return a Remain vote. Dave gets to claim some sort of powers of unifying the country and standing up to those damn bureaucrats (obviously he'd snap back into the 'EU are the enemy' rhetoric at this point).

Instead it hasn't gone his way. If we leave the EU it is entirely on his shoulders.
 
Alternatively you're cherry picking words and making him seem more against it than it is. You can say it's undemocratic without wanting a Brexit... you can say they've treated the Greeks brutally without wanting a Brexit... you can say the way they've allowed there to be mass unemployment in Southern Europe is morally wrong without wanting Brexit. Of course he's not going to say 10/10... he's a sceptic, but that doesn't mean he wants out. You can be a sceptic and want change from within, or be a sceptic and know change won't happen... but still see continued membership as being better. He sounds sceptical because he is, and he's honest... but that doesn't mean he's 'highly likely' to be a secret Brexiteer.

Recently Paul Mason said how he's anti EU because it's anti democratic etc... but he'd probably vote remain because, in his eyes, as bad as the EU is... Johnson and Gove doing what they want post Brexit is worse.

You say it's 'highly likely', but have no decent evidence to back that up. Why must leave attack people and try and discredit them, rather than actually making eg. economic arguments? Why can't Brexiteers do that rather than call Corbyn a liar without good evidence, call people like the IFS corrupt, etc?

To be fair, he hardly seems to be putting in any effort campaigning for the Remain side, they've just wheeled out Gordon Brown to take the helm to convince Labour voters...Shouldn't the current leader be doing that? Maybe because he doesn't have the enthusiasm to be convincing.

All those criticisms above, has he said many good things about the EU?

Is there any decent evidence he does personally back remain? As I can see why his actions seem to be speaking louder than his words
 
From what I understand it's not an enthusiasm thing - Corbyn doesn't want to remain in the EU for the same reason that Cameron/Osborne/New Labour do, so he's not in the same campaign.

If someone can be principled to their own detriment then it's probably him.
 
Alternatively you're cherry picking words and making him seem more against it than it is. You can say it's undemocratic without wanting a Brexit... you can say they've treated the Greeks brutally without wanting a Brexit... you can say the way they've allowed there to be mass unemployment in Southern Europe is morally wrong without wanting Brexit. Of course he's not going to say 10/10... he's a sceptic, but that doesn't mean he wants out. You can be a sceptic and want change from within, or be a sceptic and know change won't happen... but still see continued membership as being better. He sounds sceptical because he is, and he's honest... but that doesn't mean he's 'highly likely' to be a secret Brexiteer.

Recently Paul Mason said how he's anti EU because it's anti democratic etc... but he'd probably vote remain because, in his eyes, as bad as the EU is... Johnson and Gove doing what they want post Brexit is worse.

You say it's 'highly likely', but have no decent evidence to back that up. Why must leave attack people and try and discredit them, rather than actually making eg. economic arguments? Why can't Brexiteers do that rather than call Corbyn a liar without good evidence, call people like the IFS corrupt, etc?

You remain guys really don't get it do you!

People are really urinated off, I mean big time like you would not believe.

I have spoken to an IT manger a meat packer from Shrewsbury, Nurses, a Teacher, a teaching assistant, pipeline engineer (who is gutted he cannot vote as he in south Africa).
Not a single person I know is voting remain. I don't see the logic or aptitude for wanting to stay in the EU.

Its bloody madness and very few want in, I would say 75% out 25% in as a real world basis.

The out people will get out of bed to vote, the soap dodgers will be too bloody tired. :p
 
Alternatively you're cherry picking words and making him seem more against it than it is. You can say it's undemocratic without wanting a Brexit... you can say they've treated the Greeks brutally without wanting a Brexit... you can say the way they've allowed there to be mass unemployment in Southern Europe is morally wrong without wanting Brexit. Of course he's not going to say 10/10... he's a sceptic, but that doesn't mean he wants out. You can be a sceptic and want change from within, or be a sceptic and know change won't happen... but still see continued membership as being better. He sounds sceptical because he is, and he's honest... but that doesn't mean he's 'highly likely' to be a secret Brexiteer.

Recently Paul Mason said how he's anti EU because it's anti democratic etc... but he'd probably vote remain because, in his eyes, as bad as the EU is... Johnson and Gove doing what they want post Brexit is worse.

You say it's 'highly likely', but have no decent evidence to back that up. Why must leave attack people and try and discredit them, rather than actually making eg. economic arguments? Why can't Brexiteers do that rather than call Corbyn a liar without good evidence, call people like the IFS corrupt, etc?

Who said I was attacking Corbyn?

In the nicest way possible you're just being a bit naive and missing what many people can patently see - he has had his arm twisted into having to say he supports remain, when his track record suggests otherwise. It's as simple as that.

He voted against the EU when it was a fraction of the size it is today, he's been notorious for criticizing it all the way through his career, and now he's being incredibly unenthusiastic about remaining, i.e. suggesting he doesn't actually believe what he's saying.

Even in the first 48 hours of his leadership he refused to rule out backing Brexit, whilst at the very same time Hillary Benn was saying Labour would certainly support remain. See where I'm going with this?

The reality is the Labour party has taken a pounding recently and he's under massive pressure to do what he thinks is best for the party (and his legacy), rather than make a choice of his own choosing. His main issue is that Blair moved the party so much toward a pro-EU stance, the RMT and many grassroots Labour supporters want out.
 
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Recently Paul Mason said how he's anti EU because it's anti democratic etc... but he'd probably vote remain because, in his eyes, as bad as the EU is... Johnson and Gove doing what they want post Brexit is worse.


Thats stupid though.

Its mind bendingly stupid.

Thats akin to going well the kichen is on fire but I'm not going to put it out as i am a little chilly at the moment.


Because of the potential leadership of two politicians (at best 15 years assuming they do incredibly well) he'd sign himself up for decades (centuries?)of an option he refers to as antidemocratic?
 
Osborne is a ****, saying Brexit is only for the rich.

As if that will actually wash with anyone. This joker's career is done.
 
Yep instead of finding a solution with the EU and debating with them we are being scared into a stay vote...why?

That's what I can't understand. Even our PM admits the EU drives him crazy. Surely it would be better to address peoples concerns and set out a plan to tackle them.

But all we get is threats, threats from the drunk Juncker, threats from our own political parties.

If I could see light at the end of the tunnel I could definitely be persuaded to remain.

Seems the police are also being dragged into the threats campaign in Wales.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ave-street-stalls-leaving-remain-campaigners/
 
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