Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Narj said:
Excellent bit of journalism, that. The rest of the luvvies at the Graun could learn from him.
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For me this is a totally different problem to whether leaving the EU is a good or bad thing.

Where you have people who are poor, or aren't doing too well - they seem to have a tendency to blame the government for everything, and as such - it's entirely predictable that poor/less well off/poverty stricken people, will vote against the government on any issue.

Most of my friends are in the north east (Middlesborough) and it's the same there, most people are voting leave simply because they're upset that they have nothing, and the government are an easy target to hit - when they allow an open referendum like this.

It may actually be true - that the end result of government policy has in fact left them poorer and less well off, but I don't believe these facts are ever really considered, and as normal - people don't make any sensible determination to the matter at hand which is, "should we be in the EU or not" and instead go "******* government ***** voting out waaaaa" without much else.
 
Screeeech said:
It may actually be true - that the end result of government policy has in fact left them poorer and less well off, but I don't believe these facts are ever really considered, and as normal - people don't make any sensible determination to the matter at hand which is, "should we be in the EU or not" and instead go "******* government ***** voting out waaaaa" without much else.
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Have graduated in the last few years a lot of my friends and social circles are still filled with University students.. The majority which have gone "I love the world and everyone in it I'm voting in" without considering any of the points for either side. It's rampant everywhere and in every demographic that snap decisions are being made. Ignorance is worryingly huge.

My own prime fear is the short term view arguments are more central than the long term.
 
Corbyn just went full sell-out on the BBC. Oh well, so much for “new kind of politics”.

I’m also very much enjoying the new bitter and angry tone from the resident EU Akbar crowd, much less grating than the smug superiority we’ve become accustomed to over the last few months.
Narj said:
Looks like Juncker could intervene:

http://www.spiegel.de/international...-not-speaking-out-about-brexit-a-1094261.html

That should swing it for Leave, then.
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Yes, please put Juncker front and centre!
 
rawuk said:
Have graduated in the last few years a lot of my friends and social circles are still filled with University students.. The majority which have gone "I love the world and everyone in it I'm voting in" without considering any of the points for either side. It's rampant everywhere and in every demographic that snap decisions are being made. Ignorance is worryingly huge.

My own prime fear is the short term view arguments are more central than the long term.
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Whichever side you fall on it's clear that short term views are the ones that will decide the outcome, something probably true for every single election and referendum ever. The majority will vote based on the next few years.
 
Skunkworks said:
I’m also very much enjoying the new bitter and angry tone from the resident EU Akbar crowd, much less grating than the smug superiority we’ve become accustomed to over the last few months.
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Not sure what threads you are reading but 90% of "smug" posters are from Leave. To me you always stand out as one anyway.
 
Screeeech said:
For me this is a totally different problem to whether leaving the EU is a good or bad thing.

Where you have people who are poor, or aren't doing too well - they seem to have a tendency to blame the government for everything, and as such - it's entirely predictable that poor/less well off/poverty stricken people, will vote against the government on any issue.

Most of my friends are in the north east (Middlesborough) and it's the same there, most people are voting leave simply because they're upset that they have nothing, and the government are an easy target to hit - when they allow an open referendum like this.

It may actually be true - that the end result of government policy has in fact left them poorer and less well off, but I don't believe these facts are ever really considered, and as normal - people don't make any sensible determination to the matter at hand which is, "should we be in the EU or not" and instead go "******* government ***** voting out waaaaa" without much else.
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They're probably right though, the UK's membership of the EU means they have more competition for jobs, more demand for houses (i.e. higher prices), and fewer places in schools, hospitals and doctors. Even things like public transport, which affects poorer people who don't drive, will be in higher demand (having to use overcrowded buses and trains).
 
Chris Wilson said:
Not sure what you mean about those wanting to leave the EU being "anti establishment"? It's not something I had considered, and upon doing so I can't see the link. I am very anti the EU, but consider myself very pro the establishment, in general.
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All of the anti-establishment politicians such as Galloway are in the Leave camp. The Leave campaign is supposedly fighting for the little man to help him escape the tyranny of the elite and the waves of immigrants.

That narrative plays out in the voting intention demographics. Tabloid voters want out, broadsheet readers want in.
 
Bantu said:
Whichever side you fall on it's clear that short term views are the ones that will decide the outcome, something probably true for every single election and referendum ever. The majority will vote based on the next few years.
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True enough. Just the field I work in I know short term economic arguments are always over blown. Plus I don't honestly see us having another opportunity to leave again. Who knows.
 
Do people think Murdoch has that much power? Or is it just illusory. Sure he has a loud megaphone to shout his opinions but I would suggest rather than lead opinions he follows them. By reflecting his readerships views he ensures he isn't at odds with them rather than trying to direct their views for his own, as yet unidentified purposes.

He supported New Labour when it became clear that their time was due and dumped them when it was clear they were done I don't think this changed opinion merely reflected it. Papers that fail to reflect their readers biases suffer, the Daily telegraph has lost circulation at the time it has set it's editorial slant at odds with its readership. The Sun is just avoiding this surely?
 
rawuk said:
True enough. Just the field I work in I know short term economic arguments are always over blown. Plus I don't honestly see us having another opportunity to leave again. Who knows.
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They may be overblown, but on the other hand I reckon:
a) most people don't plan more than a few years ahead or feel they have any control
b) the margins of error are (often) smaller in short term vs long term. Though people still choose to present and interpret the facts in their own way.
 
Third Opinion said:
LMAO at this one. If Labour cannot even convince people to vote stay in a factory who mostly exports to Europe something is seriously wrong with their campaign.
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I would imagine immigration is the most pressing subject for white English living in Stoke on Trent, rather than the export market for their factories products. That's certainly the case for the few business owners I deal with in the area.
 
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