Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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itchy said:
I smell a mole you have been a member since 2009 with only 138 posts! :confused:

Of which 25% are on this subject. :rolleyes:

Do you still hold public office and for who, as to hold public office you have to be elected.
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LOL:D

The fact that I never used to take much interest in the forum means I am a mole!! That is hilarious. Might make more sense if I had joined recently but you think I joined 7 years ago in 2009 as a sleeper mole to wait for the chance to post on this issue? I think you need to up the dosage on those meds!

No I don't hold public office anymore I left it in 2003. I was elected but I have not run for election in over 18 years now. I am politically active and a member of a political party but I don't hold any kind of position or office in it.
 
estebanrey said:
So all a UK company has to do to circumvent the trade barriers the EU put up against a post-Brexit Britain is set up a factory in the EU. Everyone's a winner then.

Do you have shares in BMW or something? :p
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Do you ever step back and read what you write?

The idea that a company would put their factory in the EU is the bloody point! If all the car manufacturers in Sunderland decide its better to build those cars in the EU not in Brexit UK then what do you think happens to the 1000's of people who work for them? The UK supply companies that provide components? the shops and businesses who sell things to the workers? The taxes those workers paid on their wages? etc Its not certain that they would choose to relocate but if the UK EU are not in a free trade arrangement and tariffs apply its a factor that is relevant to their decision on where to locate production. Therefore it has a potential detrimental economic impact on Brexit UK. Why don't you understand this?

No I don't have shares in BMW and could give a flying toss about their profits. I only latched onto BMW because you picked them as a reason that the UK would get a wonderful trade deal with the EU post Brexit.

This is the problem with leave and what is so dishonest. Essentially you want to get divorced but you claim that after the divorce you will still live in the marital house, won't pay any maintenance and will be able to have sex with your ex wife when you feel like it. It strikes me as a really unlikely scenario!
 
BaronVonDuncs said:
LOL:D

The fact that I never used to take much interest in the forum means I am a mole!! That is hilarious. Might make more sense if I had joined recently but you think I joined 7 years ago in 2009 as a sleeper mole to wait for the chance to post on this issue? I think you need to up the dosage on those meds!

No I don't hold public office anymore I left it in 2003. I was elected but I have not run for election in over 18 years now. I am politically active and a member of a political party but I don't hold any kind of position or office in it.
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The mole bit was a joke sort of, as I know you not going to be a sleeper after 7 years, although if you do sleep that long then maybe. :p

What is your political orientation? If you don't mind me asking.

I had a feeling you where in politics by your replies. ;)

I also have a feeling a few others in the remain camp are on or where on the political payroll some point in there life.
 
itchy said:
What is your political orientation? If you don't mind me asking.

I had a feeling you where in politics by your replies. ;)
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Its varied a bit. I was a Conservative activist as a teenager. Then I ended up in Belfast and was an activist with the Ulster Unionist Party, I moved to the USA and was an activist with the Democrats and now I am back in England and I am a member of the Labour party.

Perhaps I couldn't make up my mind!
 
On BBC R4 yesterday, one of the politicians supporting the Leave campaign, said the obvious to reply to the scaremonger for the Remain, who said it will take a decade to make a free trade agreement with EU, like Canada.

She pointed out that, that we have already implemented EU regulation to everything is this country. From sausages to cars. We ain't going to change all these on Friday 24th, to start the negotiations from zero the day after as Canada, South Korea or US have done. Because the negotiations with them took, take, time because they had to agree on regulation to implement to their goods standards.

And all that madness should stop, because they take the populace of this country for stupid.
 
platypus said:
I suppose he could be considered right on a semantic level, that by attempting to protect smaller states you're discriminating against larger ones, but digressive proportionality is merely intended to protect smaller states from being under represented, not to actively discriminate against the larger states.
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But if you are Germany you don't quite have the same degressively proportionality applied. They have a higher population but a lower pop per MEP.
 
Arazi said:
I was thinking that, if BMW have backup in the event of losing thousands of customers (will never happen) for their cars then i am pretty sure they would be selling to them anyway, I don't know what logic it would be to not be selling to them.
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Do people really think that a WTO level tariff would impact BMW sales in the UK? No, of course not. BMWs and Mercedes are not particularly fungible goods; people buy them because of their brand value and reputation for quality. A few percent extra on the price won't effect their sales because they trade on a reputation that people are willing to pay for. Germany is rich in such brands and it's not just cars, it's also brands like Miele.

Which British brands exported to the EU do you think have the same reputational advantage? There are a few - JCB, Dyson and Massey-Fergusson* spring to mind - but they make up much less of our export market. For goods that are easily replaced with an equal equivalent the reputational advantage is pretty worthless and tariffs matter rather more and it's in these goods that we'll feel the real pain.

* - Are they still British owned, I forget?
 
Mr Jack said:
Do people really think that a WTO level tariff would impact BMW sales in the UK? No, of course not. BMWs and Mercedes are not particularly fungible goods; people buy them because of their brand value and reputation for quality. A few percent extra on the price won't effect their sales because they trade on a reputation that people are willing to pay for. Germany is rich in such brands and it's not just cars, it's also brands like Miele.

Which British brands exported to the EU do you think have the same reputational advantage? There are a few - JCB, Dyson and Massey-Fergusson* spring to mind - but they make up much less of our export market. For goods that are easily replaced with an equal equivalent the reputational advantage is pretty worthless and tariffs matter rather more and it's in these goods that we'll feel the real pain.

* - Are they still British owned, I forget?
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Can't remember if they are British owned or not, but they moved the factory from Coventry to Brazil a decade or so ago.

The German car makers will take a hit for sure. They won't suffer a complete collapse, or anything like it. But a 10% tariff (which, IRC is what the EU sets it at) will reduce sales are profit margins quite noticeably. And so it is perfectly reasonable to expect for them use their powerful lobby to pressure Brussels to grant free trade
 
BaronVonDuncs said:
Its varied a bit. I was a Conservative activist as a teenager. Then I ended up in Belfast and was an activist with the Ulster Unionist Party, I moved to the USA and was an activist with the Democrats and now I am back in England and I am a member of the Labour party.

Perhaps I couldn't make up my mind!
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A bit of floater then I see, could you not think that you are undecided but trying to convince yourself to remain.

All I want is the proposition to remain, not the stupid and down right playground tactics the remain camp are pulling out there backsides.

Tell me how is the EU good for joe public, what benefits are there to our society?
How will further integration benefit us as a people?

What if we don't like what proposals the EU are suggesting, how can we make a choice if its out of our hands?

A small note sure if you up on how the world works....

What are your thoughts on JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs funding the in campaign?
 
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