Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[McBain]

Latest polls show a swing to remain.

Mirror?

 

[toshj]

Voting "out" because some low skilled sector finally has enough competition not to dictate 1990ies prices is just one of those insane excuses that look good as a catchphrase on top of page in a right wing rag or when shouted by an angry manipulator in front of the mob. But it's still insane. The man is talking about throwing away and revising 40+ years of trade agreements and legislations, cancelling protection on decades of licensing and products, wrecking long term investments, involuntarily breaking contracts and destabilising micro and macro economy for millions of people and effectively forcing everyone to rebuild framework and re-start most agreements, paperwork and contracts from scratch. And all that because painters or bus drivers didn't get pay rise?

I'm sorry but these are stupid excuses. Voting "out" because paranoia of what EU might (or may not) become is stupid. Voting "out" because of blind hope that it will lead right wing forces to power and Boris or Nigel will stop globalisation and revert Britain to some sort of small town 1950ies paradise is stupid. It's stupid because it's so desperate, selfish, so emo, tantrum like - it's like burning your entire flat and leaving the building to live on the street just because you can't agree with your neighbours one morning. "I don't like how Romanians come here and earn peanuts driving buses, I don't want to be in Europe any more". Talk about drama.

It's one thing to believe that EU has too much bureaucracy and is in dire need of reform, but it's quite another to not even recognise just what a historic milestone and money and time saving device it is in terms of trade and everyday life. And to throw it all away, just because you don't like some stupid, tiny aspect of it, or because you go David Icke on some "don't trust faceless reptilian bureaucrat from Brussels" drunken conspiracy spiel. Or worse yet, because you strongly believe some nations or races are better than others, and so you would like to participate in some sort of fantasy selective globalisation - yes to Aussies but Bulgarians or Romanians - don't let them in, cause they're like, not as nice. Better yet - "if we could split and make EU 2 - you know - with the cooler countries - like Netherlands and Germany, but none of those poor looking ones - Greeks or Poles. We had about 30 pages of that kind of bizarro word parallel universe talk across EU threads recently.

I really really like this post. In a conversation with my girlfriend tonight I referred to the leave option as the social, political and economic version of cutting your nose off to spite your face, but your choice of words sums up perfectly how I and everyone I know feel about this.

Aside from the quoted text, my gut feeling is that the vote will mirror the events of the recent general election. Insofar as there was a firm belief in the polls indicating a stronger labour performance at the time based on noise and social media clamour - and in a similiar scenario to this referendum, there seems to be a significant misplaced confidence by the Leavesters that the result will go the way of Leave - but in reality I believe/hope there exists a large and relatively silent section of the voting public who'll opt of the moderate climate of Remain. The baby boomers have individually profited so significantly from us being in the EU that they won't want to rock the boat now.

 

[Destination]

Latest polls show a swing to remain.

Always is at the end.
Will depend how much of a swing.
If we Brexit watch the smashing the pound takes for several days.
At least their is a weekend to stall things slightly.

Been utterly divisive anyway, doubt the country will be a happy place no matter the vote.

 

[V F]

Been utterly divisive anyway, doubt the country will be a happy place no matter the vote.

I hope there are no large scale fights what happened in Glasgow after that referendum. That is what I am dreading.

 

[Insanties_birth]

Voting "out" because some low skilled sector finally has enough competition not to dictate 1990ies prices is just one of those insane excuses that look good as a catchphrase on top of page in a right wing rag or when shouted by an angry manipulator in front of the mob. But it's still insane. The man is talking about throwing away and revising 40+ years of trade agreements and legislations, cancelling protection on decades of licensing and products, wrecking long term investments, involuntarily breaking contracts and destabilising micro and macro economy for millions of people and effectively forcing everyone to rebuild framework and re-start most agreements, paperwork and contracts from scratch. And all that because painters or bus drivers didn't get pay rise?

If 40 + years of trade agreemants and legislation leads to incredible over legislation along with breaking the system so it's no longer flexible, no longer possible to be controlled and no longer something we can expect to improve then it could make sense to throw it out. Normally you wouldn't but when the EU is as rigid, unwilling to change and filled with other people pulling in other directions then you can talk as much as you want about 'improving it from inside' but we know that could take a life time or even head in the opposite direction based on other countries interests. If the system doesn't work for millions then it can make sense to rework it for millions so yeah The unfortunate point is we tried to get the EU to compromise, the referendum was our best chance to get change as the whole worlds eyes looked and saw the peoples disagreemant with the EU from a leading country who many say has 'loads of influence' yet if that influence even when combined with the people wanting there say on the EU during a migration and financial crisis can barely muster up half of what Cameron has been promising for the last few years (and even then with concessions and to be voted on at a later date) then it shows the EU leaves us no choice. Sadly they're not the kind of organisation we can just reshape and retool, it'd take decades if not centuries to resolve the EU and even then it could turn to the other countries preferences and not ours so yes, it can be a throw it out or keep it scenario.

I'm sorry but these are stupid excuses. Voting "out" because paranoia of what EU might (or may not) become is stupid. Voting "out" because of blind hope that it will lead right wing forces to power and Boris or Nigel will stop globalisation and revert Britain to some sort of small town 1950ies paradise is stupid. It's stupid because it's so desperate, selfish, so emo, tantrum like - it's like burning your entire flat and leaving the building to live on the street just because you can't agree with your neighbours one morning. "I don't like how Romanians come here and earn peanuts driving buses, I don't want to be in Europe any more". Talk about drama.

Another problem with your argument is that the EU is clearly quite grown up and can give us a clear indication of what it intends to do by history. You call it paranoia as a cheap excuse but many can evidently see how within 40 years it's managed to reverse the position and take over many policies people feel it has no right in being anywhere near such as taxation. It's spinning the table and making the union that is meant to benefit us be in charge of our democracy and in charge of our future instead of the other way around. Sure there is always compromise but where does our taxes fit into compromise? Where does our fishing and our public services fit into compromise? It fits when you're over a barrel and they want to run everything from top to bottom obviously. So yeah, squeeze out some lethargic anecdotes about 1950's while modern politics and democracy is in a noose. Try and switch the argument to blame racism instead of controlled migration to manage the impact on our social services, try and blame it as an emotional and 'emo' response when it's a normal reaction to seeing your country get run by left wing dictators who outsource your politics and it requires studying them over and over to even understand what rights they want to move to brussels next. This referendum alone highlighted how little some knew about the EU and even those that did know stuff repeated many wrong things as the EU is simply not very transparent or accountable.

It's one thing to believe that EU has too much bureaucracy and is in dire need of reform, but it's quite another to not even recognise just what a historic milestone and money and time saving device it is in terms of trade and everyday life. And to throw it all away, just because you don't like some stupid, tiny aspect of it, or because you go David Icke on some "don't trust faceless reptilian bureaucrat from Brussels" drunken conspiracy spiel. Or worse yet, because you strongly believe some nations or races are better than others, and so you would like to participate in some sort of fantasy selective globalisation - yes to Aussies but Bulgarians or Romanians - don't let them in, cause they're like, not as nice. Better yet - "if we could split and make EU 2 - you know - with the cooler countries - like Netherlands and Germany, but none of those poor looking ones - Greeks or Poles. We had about 30 pages of that kind of bizarro word parallel universe talk across EU threads recently.

People can recognise it though, it's just a sad and cruel twist of fate that they buried the hatchet in there own backs by trying to save europe by enslaving it. We're not a people that like to see democracy disappear, to see the peoples voice go away and watch as other people say sovereignity is outdated and that brussels is the future. They've made some good achievements, hey ho I can fly somewhere without flashing one document that was easy enough to carry and whip out anyway. God save the queen but bury her childrens rights cos she made us use a passport? That's the problem, you talk as if we're throwing something massive away in the EU but to keep the EU we're throwing more away in my opinion and there's just no answer for that other than the usual bleatings of money, money, money. It might sound funny to you but the EU has paved it's roads over and on top of the voices of the people and took there politicans voices to extremes. We're supposed to be careful and keep our politicians accountable but when does this factor into the EU? Maybe in your mind it already does but it would take another 40 or 50 years it looks before we see any real changes that would matter on the ground and it might just be the positive version of paranoia to assume those good changes are coming anyway. I don't feel piling democracy ontop of democracy, removing major political decisions from public view, making the large decision makers even less accountable, having rigid and hard to change top down policies, making political decisions for 27 countries at a time etc. is really the future of politics. Where appropriate like trade then sure, we can pool together and do more but what the hell is going on with this top down policy on every political matter? What is the excuse?

 

[sports_brah]

Latest polls show a swing to remain.

My predictions were kind of hopeful that the British would vote out. Not likely, but possible.

After this....most unfortuitous killing of that MP, I think it is terribly unlikely to happen. A few days of momentum and remain will nudge ahead.


And yes, I'll come out and say that I find the whole affair downright suspect. No conspiracy, but the nature and timing of the attack, along with subsequent remarks really has made the vote play into the hands.

And yes, I think both sides trying to involve the ladies death are pretty scummy.

 

[Insanties_birth]

My predictions were kind of hopeful that the British would vote out. Not likely, but possible.

After this....most unfortuitous killing of that MP, I think it is terribly unlikely to happen. A few days of momentum and remain will nudge ahead.


And yes, I'll come out and say that I find the whole affair downright suspect. No conspiracy, but the nature and timing of the attack, along with subsequent remarks really has made the vote play into the hands.

And yes, I think both sides trying to involve the ladies death are pretty scummy.

I won't politicise her death or disrespect her in any way but I will say taking the ramblings of a man who has been proven to suffer from mental health issues as an excuse to vote on the referendum would be a bad choice. All respect to Jo still though of course but it seems they are trying to push it to the limelight in hopes it will swing the 'no hate' message despite the referendum not being a message of hate anyway.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Voting "out" because some low skilled sector finally has enough competition not to dictate 1990ies prices is just one of those insane excuses that look good as a catchphrase on top of page in a right wing rag or when shouted by an angry manipulator in front of the mob. But it's still insane. The man is talking about throwing away and revising 40+ years of trade agreements and legislations, cancelling protection on decades of licensing and products, wrecking long term investments, involuntarily breaking contracts and destabilising micro and macro economy for millions of people and effectively forcing everyone to rebuild framework and re-start most agreements, paperwork and contracts from scratch. And all that because painters or bus drivers didn't get pay rise?

I'm sorry but these are stupid excuses. Voting "out" because paranoia of what EU might (or may not) become is stupid. Voting "out" because of blind hope that it will lead right wing forces to power and Boris or Nigel will stop globalisation and revert Britain to some sort of small town 1950ies paradise is stupid. It's stupid because it's so desperate, selfish, so emo, tantrum like - it's like burning your entire flat and leaving the building to live on the street just because you can't agree with your neighbours one morning. "I don't like how Romanians come here and earn peanuts driving buses, I don't want to be in Europe any more". Talk about drama.

It's one thing to believe that EU has too much bureaucracy and is in dire need of reform, but it's quite another to not even recognise just what a historic milestone and money and time saving device it is in terms of trade and everyday life. And to throw it all away, just because you don't like some stupid, tiny aspect of it, or because you go David Icke on some "don't trust faceless reptilian bureaucrat from Brussels" drunken conspiracy spiel. Or worse yet, because you strongly believe some nations or races are better than others, and so you would like to participate in some sort of fantasy selective globalisation - yes to Aussies but Bulgarians or Romanians - don't let them in, cause they're like, not as nice. Better yet - "if we could split and make EU 2 - you know - with the cooler countries - like Netherlands and Germany, but none of those poor looking ones - Greeks or Poles. We had about 30 pages of that kind of bizarro word parallel universe talk across EU threads recently.

I'm a bit late to the party but this is a very good post. It'll be ignored by those who don't like it and respected by those who do because Internet Behaviour but that was a good post v0n.

 

[sprite1275]

Is that post above not all about financial side of things.

 

[Judgeneo]

Mirror?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...rEfQc6uzNP98KXwZcf-8JsKZto/edit#gid=548761846

Pollster - - - - - - - - - Date | Remain | Leave | DK | Lead

Survation - - - - - - - - - 18 Jun | 45 | 42 | 13 | 3 Phone
YouGov (Times) - - - - - 17 Jun | 44 | 43 | 13 | 1 Online
Opinium - - - - - - - - - - 17 Jun | 44 | 44 | 12 | 0 Online
YouGov- - - - - - - - - - - 16 Jun | 42 | 44 | 14 | -2 Online
BMG - - - - - - - - - - - - 15 Jun | 46 | 43 | 11 | 3 Phone
BMG - - - - - - - - - - - - 15 Jun | 41 | 51 | 8 | -10 Online
Survation - - - - - - - - - 15 Jun | 42 | 45 | 13 | -3 Phone
Ipsos Mori - - - - - - - - 14 Jun | 43 | 49 | 8 | -6 Phone
YouGov - - - - - - - - - - 13 Jun | 39 | 46 | 15 | -7 Online
ICM - - - - - - - - - - - - 13 Jun | 45 | 50 | 5 | -5 Phone
ICM - - - - - - - - - - - - 13 Jun | 44 | 49 | 7 | -5 Online
ComRes - - - - - - - - - -13 Jun | 46 | 45 | 9 | 1 Phone
TNS - - - - - - - - - - - - 13 Jun | 40 | 47 | 13 | -7 Online
ORB - - - - - - - - - - - - 12 Jun | 48 | 49 | 3 | -1 Phone
YouGov - - - - - - - - - - 10 Jun | 42 | 43 | 15 | -1 Online
Opinium - - - - - - - - - -10 Jun | 44 | 42 | 14 | 2 Online

My predictions were kind of hopeful that the British would vote out. Not likely, but possible.

After this....most unfortuitous killing of that MP, I think it is terribly unlikely to happen. A few days of momentum and remain will nudge ahead.


And yes, I'll come out and say that I find the whole affair downright suspect. No conspiracy, but the nature and timing of the attack, along with subsequent remarks really has made the vote play into the hands.

And yes, I think both sides trying to involve the ladies death are pretty scummy.

Aye, if we lose this due to some neo-nazi scumbag murdering a mother of two, I'll be livid.

 

[B&W]

Need to stay in, will be a big risk financially to go it alone not really worth a roll of the dice.

We're quite well off now despite everyone scaremongering about jobs and benefits.

What we really need to change is this culture of entitlement and " me me me". Lack of moral fiber and work ethic, this whole materialistic outlook on life needs to die down a bit.

Why do we have to import doctors? Why do our youngsters look up to the likes of kim Kardashian? Why do we pay for Boob jobs and not cancer surgeries?

Where has common sense gone?

Are the EU to blame for all this, will leaving it fix our self inflicted wounds?

Things will get better when we pick ourselves up and start changing things in our communities, homes and families.

Most of the world wants us to stay in because it is better financially for all of us.

Remember the grass is always greener on the other side.

 

[StriderX]

Need to stay in, will be a big risk financially to go it alone not really worth a roll of the dice.

We're quite well off now despite everyone scaremongering about jobs and benefits.

What we really need to change is this culture of entitlement and " me me me". Lack of moral fiber and work ethic, this whole materialistic outlook on life needs to die down a bit.

Why do we have to import doctors? Why do our youngsters look up to the likes of kim Kardashian? Why do we pay for Boob jobs and not cancer surgeries?

Where has common sense gone?

Are the EU to blame for all this, will leaving it fix our self inflicted wounds?

Things will get better when we pick ourselves up and start changing things in our communities, homes and families.

Most of the world wants us to stay in because it is better financially for all of us.

Remember the grass is always greener on the other side.

You will literally never get what you want.

 

[sports_brah]

Aye, if we lose this due to some neo-nazi scumbag murdering a mother of two, I'll be livid.

We will because the public is fickle. The incumbent powers know thus, and will tie this into their previous comments. The economic woes they were predicting were not enough to sawy people (rightly so as well, life isn't just about money). This death has tied brexit up with the same lexicon as "right wing", " racist" and other socially rehabilitating words.

Need to stay in, will be a big risk financially to go it alone not really worth a roll of the dice.

We're quite well off now despite everyone scaremongering about jobs and benefits.

What we really need to change is this culture of entitlement and " me me me". Lack of moral fiber and work ethic, this whole materialistic outlook on life needs to die down a bit.

Why do we have to import doctors? Why do our youngsters look up to the likes of kim Kardashian? Why do we pay for Boob jobs and not cancer surgeries?

Where has common sense gone?

Are the EU to blame for all this, will leaving it fix our self inflicted wounds?

Things will get better when we pick ourselves up and start changing things in our communities, homes and families.

Most of the world wants us to stay in because it is better financially for all of us.

Remember the grass is always greener on the other side.

The problem with this is that people have not been heard and when they have they have been ignored. The likes of some posters in this thread airily saying immigration is perfectly fine with only a "slight depressive effect in certain sectors" are the ones who are far removed.

Through possibly how the education has been taught in our country, we have a situation where more and more people are feeling isolated from being able to have any say in the future of their country. We are bombarded by the media, loosely represented by politicians who across the board have shown their own self interest, and to boot we are being given diktats by bodies who could not possibly understand our culture, let alone applying systems of rule across such varying nations.

Out would be best, because it will force the EU to actually listen. I've no doubt we would be asked to vote again, but with it can come change.

When we vote in, we are going to be treated (every since we have when we first joined late) as reluctant islanders. The headache we have caused is not going to be forgiven.

 

[B&W]

You will literally never get what you want.

There are times to be cautious and times to be bold, in this referendum I will stay on the side of caution. And I'm the one who usually agrees with the saying fortune favors the bold.

 

[Mr Badger]

Aye, if we lose this due to some neo-nazi scumbag murdering a mother of two, I'll be livid.

You will lose it because most people think it's safer/better to remain in the EU. Or you will win because most people think they are prepared to take a punt on an unknown future (whether or not they actually grasp the possible implications of leaving).

 

[JamesJoanne]

Voting out on the 23rd and hopefully on the 24th we shall see emergency legislation passed that will result in massive deportations in due course!

This country is full of low quality stock. It's time to take back control of our borders. Life isn't only about GDP figures. Quality matters too.

Also in USA am supporting TRUMP and his slogan to "make America white again"

 

[B&W]

Voting out on the 23rd and hopefully on the 24th we shall see emergency legislation passed that will result in massive deportations in due course!

This country is full of low quality stock. It's time to take back control of our borders. Life isn't only about GDP figures. Quality matters too.

Also in USA am supporting TRUMP and his slogan to "make America white again"

Care to expand on what you mean by low quality stock? Yes quality matters, and when the GDP is good the quality is good.

Go to a poor country and you will see just how important GDP is.

Makes me laugh when some of you think you've had it bad, you just don't realize how lucky you are.

 

[Monkeynut]

Names JamesJoanne and writes neo-nazi propaganda, oh no! The fascist returnee is back.

 

[Mynight]

Ban him!

People like that don't do any favours for leaves credibility.

 

[asim18]

Voting out on the 23rd and hopefully on the 24th we shall see emergency legislation passed that will result in massive deportations in due course!

This country is full of low quality stock. It's time to take back control of our borders. Life isn't only about GDP figures. Quality matters too.

Also in USA am supporting TRUMP and his slogan to "make America white again"

You're going to be the first to get deported with "low quality" posts like that.