Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[balky12]

why do people not understand we have a veto. if its deeper integration its because we've accepted it.

at least have a basic understanding of the EU.

How long do you think we will keep using our veto if the agenda is deeper integration?

I don't want deeper integration at all... like everyone in the Leave camp.

The argument (in this isolated case) comes down to; Leave, and deeper integration will not happen. Or Remain, and deeper integration might not happen, but could happen at a later date.

Yes we have a veto... but why would I want to chance it being played every single time forevermore when I can just vote Leave and not have to worry about deeper integration?

Basic understanding. C'mon dude. Keep up.

 

[Chris Wilson]

What has this got to do with the EU referendum?

I would say post a new topic and discuss it, but given that this is GD its probably not a good idea.

It's indicative of how immigration is changing not only the look and feel of our towns and cities, but the sounds of them also. And as we all know, immigration is the main concern of huge numbers of British referendum voters.... I did try to sweeten the pill for the more sensitive with a touch of humour. As such it's totally relevant.

 

[platypus]

How long do you think we will keep using our veto if the agenda is deeper integration?

I would assume that we will continue to use our veto in these instances for as long as the British public vote in a government that will do so.

There is so much about being more in control of our policies from the leave campaign, and backing this up with the fact that we can "hold our politicians to account" every 5 years. Why would this change after voting to remain in the EU?

I don't want deeper integration at all... like everyone in the Leave camp.

I don't think a desire not to have deeper integration is limited to the leave camp.

 

[platypus]

It's indicative of how immigration is changing not only the look and feel of our towns and cities, but the sounds of them also. And as we all know, immigration is the main concern of huge numbers of British referendum voters.... I did try to sweeten the pill for the more sensitive with a touch of humour. As such it's totally relevant.

So its a tenuous link to scare people into voting to leave as the right answer, because that will stop the muslims destroying our way of life?

Why not just throw in a poster of loads of refugees queuing up to get into the EU? Oh, wait.

 

[kindai]

I don't think a desire not to have deeper integration is limited to the leave camp.

And you are aware a vote to remain is not a vote for the status quo?

 

[platypus]

And you are aware a vote to remain is not a vote for the status quo?

Not that I've said - anywhere - that I want the status quo, but how so?

 

[estebanrey]

That is one thing that bothers me. A vote to remain, imo, signals the go ahead for deeper ties and integration...

Just look what the EU has done to Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy...

People still think this experiment is a success?

This is the thing, almost no one if voting FOR the EU or making a case for the institution itself. Brimainers appear to be voting for immediate economic stability and/or against being seen as racist or supporting a right-wing cause, which no one should be basing their arguments on.

Past those two things, they don't really seem to care what the EU do which is quite sad.

 

[Arazi]

Shall we continue with 'It was' and 'it wasn't' until Thursday? Fun to be had for all.

That's why i said it

 

[Chris Wilson]

So its a tenuous link to scare people into voting to leave as the right answer, because that will stop the muslims destroying our way of life?

Why not just throw in a poster of loads of refugees queuing up to get into the EU? Oh, wait.

Nothing tenuous about the link, nothing wrong with UKIP's poster. Just the way it is.... One's a UK government petition wanting loudspeakers wailing a call to prayer several times a day in our towns and cities, the other a real photograph of a huge line of migrants who might find such a scenario appealing in European towns and cities.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

As opposed to some brexiters wanting to leave because... Mosque petition?

Lol, really... this is just getting silly.

 

[Glaucus]

How long do you think we will keep using our veto if the agenda is deeper integration?

I don't want deeper integration at all... like everyone in the Leave camp.

The argument (in this isolated case) comes down to; Leave, and deeper integration will not happen. Or Remain, and deeper integration might not happen, but could happen at a later date.

Yes we have a veto... but why would I want to chance it being played every single time forevermore when I can just vote Leave and not have to worry about deeper integration?

Basic understanding. C'mon dude. Keep up.

all the time as Eu is census between everyone and without it, it doesn't progress, do you even understand the eu, watch the video linked a few posts up.
perhaps rather than making totally wrong assumptions, you would rather educate yourself on how the eu works and then possibly change your opinion. rather than just assuming it works how you think, when reality says otherwise.

 

[balky12]

I would assume that we will continue to use our veto in these instances for as long as the British public vote in a government that will do so.

There is so much about being more in control of our policies from the leave campaign, and backing this up with the fact that we can "hold our politicians to account" every 5 years. Why would this change after voting to remain in the EU?

I don't think a desire not to have deeper integration is limited to the leave camp.

Exactly. So I am using my vote for Leave. As I don't want further integration. Then the battle comes down to just this referendum. If we Leave, great, my interests are met. If we vote Remain, meh, it doesn’t overly bother me, but perhaps deeper integration won’t happen still. Then every 5 years it could be another potential dice roll for further integration…

I know we have a veto… but why chance my interests beyond the referendum?

The holding Government responsible every 5 years wouldn’t change? But then again I never said it would nor made this part of my argument?

Deeper integration is most definitely not limited to the Leave party!

 

[Freakbro]

Why not just throw in a poster of loads of refugees queuing up to get into the EU?

Make sure you block out the accompanying policeman too, just to give the impression the invasion is 'unfettered'

 

[Arazi]

Really that deluded that leaving the EU will make everyone free from wage slavery and capitalism.

This whole thing has turned into another panacea for the fears of Joe Public my god you are going to be in for major disappointment no matter which side "wins"

Newsflash - You, normal person, lose either way.

This.

 

[Insanties_birth]

How long do you think we will keep using our veto if the agenda is deeper integration?

I don't want deeper integration at all... like everyone in the Leave camp.

The argument (in this isolated case) comes down to; Leave, and deeper integration will not happen. Or Remain, and deeper integration might not happen, but could happen at a later date.

Yes we have a veto... but why would I want to chance it being played every single time forevermore when I can just vote Leave and not have to worry about deeper integration?

Basic understanding. C'mon dude. Keep up.

This is the issue, we have a veto over turkey but we also have politicians that state they want to pave the to ankara. One of the problems of the EU is that it seems to make us want to sit around pleasing other countries and doing the policies we've approved since starting the single market clearly do infringe on our sovereignity to some degree but was never taken all that seriously. It's like the decision making process just gets the go ahead just to not look like we're sitting around stalling problematic policies regardless of whether we should be doing that.

After all the EU is all about further integration and giving up sovereignity in some regards to achieve this, we wouldn't join just to reject everything but by giving them the go ahead we clearly do promote further integration and Cameron even tries to paint this as our last chance to be in or out himself. So does that suggest we have to dig in deeper just because we didn't want the economic issues? Veto or not, the remainers are ignoring the political situation altogether in how wev'e regularly gone ahead with this sort of stuff anyway without any care of the public opinion.

Oh and a little anecdote, my dad said he was going to vote out while he was drunk last night. Apparently this was the opposite of his approach the night before where he wanted to vote in because the pakistani's and whatnot come and make good curries. Might have to get him drunk before he votes as he then rants about them all coming in lol.

 

[Arazi]

Newsflash - I have nothing to lose by voting out!

Same here, i would rather take the chance of out and see what happens, if i was to remain then it is the same old same old.

 

[Glaucus]

Same here, i would rather take the chance of out and see what happens, if i was to remain then it is the same old same old.

oh boy how wrong can you be, you have loads to lose. even the worst off person in the UK, still has many things they can lose.

 

[balky12]

all the time as Eu is census between everyone and without it, it doesn't progress, do you even understand the eu, watch the video linked a few posts up.
perhaps rather than making totally wrong assumptions, you would rather educate yourself on how the eu works and then possibly change your opinion. rather than just assuming it works how you think, when reality says otherwise.

What are you harping on about? My personal view is that I don't want deeper integration.... So I am voting out.

I get that every member state has to agree. As you keep repeating. But what if we vote to Remain and in X years time the Government in power wants deeper integration…. And does not veto. All member states agree and deeper integration happens?

I don’t understand what you are arguing?

A very small part for the reason I want to leave is the possibility of deeper integration… why would I vote to Remain when there is always a slight possibility of this happening? When I can vote Leave and not have to worry about deeper integration? As long as the Leave vote wins?

I honestly don’t understand why you keep repeating yourself? Or questioning my understanding of how the EU works?

 

[Felon]

Same here, i would rather take the chance of out and see what happens, if i was to remain then it is the same old same old.

What, the same old stability, same old strong economy, same old security, employment opportunities and general wonderland that is the UK right now?

 

[StriderX]

oh boy how wrong can you be, you have loads to lose. even the worst off person in the UK, still has many things they can lose.

We lose anyway, because no-one cares.