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Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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Such a disingenuous remark. If I were your parents I think such a jaundiced comment on old age would be troubling to me and I would be making sure any savings were secured for my future well being as a care home and sale of the family silver may be on the horizon, due to my impending uselessness and senility. Have you hidden their polling cards?
I just just expressed my yearning for him to regain his youth, calling my parents useless and senile is not fair on them or I. It was clearly in jest and was no more repetition of what he stated, you need to turn your volume down a notch before you offend people. Calling up health issues of my parents is a blow far too low for anywhere on this forum, by acting this way you deter far more people from your cause and make you look petty and easily stung.
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Because she is another under handed lying politician, just a fake announcement to get ethnic votes to remain, we all know she has probably been on remain side since day one, there will be more like this or other dirty tricks.
Then whatever the vote result is, we will have public disorder all weekend.
Missed that bit in amongst all the 'deeper integration'
If that's a tiny bit of the reason, what's the rest of it?
I fundamentally disagree with another level of Government above our own and another Court system.
Certain policies such as the agricultural policy I thought was badly thought out.
I think the EU is a failed social experiment. Look at Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy. Ruined their economies imo.
As a trade union I think it is a great idea... but I think it has out grown it's remit, bitten off more than it can chew and is now too far gone for a simple renegotiating of terms and a full withdrawal is the only way forward.
All the arguments against leaving are basically the same as what we heard when we were deciding to adopt the Euro. If we didn't adopt the Euro trade would stop, foreign investment would stop, banks would leave our shores, etc. None of that happened.
Only thing that makes this argument slightly different is the immigration aspect. Which I don't care for. Immigration is important to this country and is a net benefit on the whole. NHS relies on it for example. Over 50% of the immigration numbers come from outside the EU anyways so our status in or out of the EU will have very little impact on immigration.
Also I am naturally a risk taker. I firmly believe that where you are on the risk-averse scale will have an impact on how you vote...
Also why wouldn't I like the opportunity to prove all the 'UK will be insignificant without the EU' believers wrong.
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Of course you did, we all know you aren't ageist or whatever nomenclature is used for such traits....
No problem with thickos sans university education to a degree level in sociology or without an LSE neutrality voting either...
I fundamentally disagree with another level of Government above our own and another Court system.
Certain policies such as the agricultural policy I thought was badly thought out.
I think the EU is a failed social experiment. Look at Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy. Ruined their economies imo.
As a trade union I think it is a great idea... but I think it has out grown it's remit, bitten off more than it can chew and is now too far gone for a simple renegotiating of terms and a full withdrawal is the only way forward.
All the arguments against leaving are basically the same as what we heard when we were deciding to adopt the Euro. If we didn't adopt the Euro trade would stop, foreign investment would stop, banks would leave our shores, etc. None of that happened.
Only thing that makes this argument slightly different is the immigration aspect. Which I don't care for. Immigration is important to this country and is a net benefit on the whole. NHS relies on it for example. Over 50% of the immigration numbers come from outside the EU anyways so our status in or out of the EU will have very little impact on immigration.
Also I am naturally a risk taker. I firmly believe that where you are on the risk-averse scale will have an impact on how you vote...
Also why wouldn't I like the opportunity to prove all the 'UK will be insignificant without the EU' believers wrong.
Fair enough! I think that is what it is boiling down to really - who has the most to lose / who is more risk averse.
It's one thing to suggest that the Euro arguments were similar but it's a slightly different prospect comparing single currency to the single market. Scaremongering aside, what is it that makes you think we will be able to adopt a beneficial arrangement with the EU as far as trade is concerned? Or indeed the rest of the world? Obviously it's not going to stop trade but most projections are forecasting worse scenarios in terms of independent statistics. I couldn't see the logic personally with the Euro but it makes a bit more sense to me with the single market.
Also, how do you feel about our government having more control? I know you say you disagree with the 'level above' arrangement but do you accept that it provides a much needed external influence for us? Do you think our government would actually do anything that benefits us as a country by way of addressing the concerns people have? As I've stated before, one of my biggest motivators in voting to remain is the fact that our government has been inadequate at best in dealing with issues they currently have control over and I don't see the benefit in losing whatever we have with the EU to give them more power.
It is unquestionably the case that decisions need to be taken above the national level on all sorts of issues we have to come to a collective decision between nations on what we want to do. Isn't it better to have structures in place to formalise that decision making and make it somewhat accountable to the plebiscite?
At least if we remain, you'll have plenty of destination countries to choose from.
Yeah, it's just a shame that they've all got high rates of unemployment and are suffering worse from mass immigration than the UK
Oh it is all very confusing.
Think what a lot hinges on is the fact I don't think much will change when it comes to trade. I can't see huge tariffs and I will be surprised if any tariffs are slapped on personally. Think everyone loses out if that were the case... With plenty of emerging markets around the world having a seat at the WTO is never a bad thing...
I think we will always be influenced by the EU even if we are out of it. Globalisation at play. Also especially if we keep trade up with them. I know the argument will then be, 'well what's the point of voting to Leave then?'. I was looking forward to Cameron's devolution plans. Welsh creating their own Parliament is exciting and I am all for more power to the Wales, Scotland, N. Ireland, etc. Maybe even counties? I felt Passing power up the chain made the devolution gesture almost meaningless?
It's not clear cut by all means, and I accept that I am missing out on some nice things the EU has to offer. But you can't have your cake and eat it.
What for though? We will still have a seat at the UN, NATO and various other world stages...
why? basically ever financial experts disagrees, could it be because you don't understand the situation and as such, making things up in your mind to support your position.
again watch this short video to get a basic understanding
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/0...ale-eu-law-expert-analyses-referendum-debate/
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All three enjoyed a big boost in GDP per capita when they first joined the EU, and another big boost when they joined the Euro. Yes, they suffered in the Great Recession and, yes, the Eurozone has spectacularly failed to deal responsibly with the aftermath but the overall picture of whether it has been good or bad for them is much more nuanced, which is probably why in Portugal, Italy and Spain more people have a positive view of the EU than negative, and even in Greece more people have an neutral view than negative (source)
Also, bit-by-bit, the problems in the Eurozone are being fixed. All of the PIGS nations now have positive growth, all have falling unemployment, and the Eurozone has begun to address its structural issues - not least by the ECB finally engaging quantitative easing.
I actually don't think enough of the electorate really care for us to see any significant level of public disorder almost everyone I know he a meh attitude to it all which I'm kind of inclined to agree to as in reality in or out it will make very little if any difference to my life. Much like pretty much all other politic decisions in this country it is to far removed from the ordinary person to really get us motivated hands up anyone who has noticed a significant difference in their daily life since the general election? Politics is broken,
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Somewhere with no internet?If the vote is Leave I'll probably be out of here as soon as possible.
Dude, why are you continuing to shove your point of view down my throat with the line of 'you don't understand?'. It's getting tiresome.
You referring to 90% of financial experts statement that has been thrown about? That was 90% of experts that replied to a Remain camp survey... not the same as 90% of all financial experts.
Truth is that no one knows exactly what will happen. Both sides have presented twisted facts and figures. You can't read anything with any decent degree of certainty.
Osborne's 'Families will be £4,300 worst off a year' was another example of this. Forecasts have our economy growing whether we Remain or Leave. Just the Remains camp has the economy growing slightly more than the Leave economy. Ultimately they are comparing two predictions against each other.
I respect your view.
Would have been interesting to know your view on adopting the Euro way back when.
Oh really? You guys really do some impressive mental gymnastics to twist theories into your own paranoid delusions.
If she was on the remain side all along, and wanted the 'ethnic vote' to go to the remain side as well, then here's a thought....
Why didn't she just campaign for remain from the start?
Of course there will be
because its quite clear that your opinion isn't formed on what we know.
did I say anything 90% and no its not taken from any such leaflets.
just watch the video.
euro is massively different nd is unrelated to the eu referendum.
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