Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[bayo000]

In unrelated news, I went shopping at the weekend and almost everywhere had sold out of tinfoil.

Hahaha

 

[Glaucus]

How have I ignored everything? Few in depth posts as to my reasoning over last couple pages. Just because my view differs from yours doesn't make me wrong or lack 'basic understanding' does it? C'mon dude.

it has little to do with your views. so come on dude. its about the opinions you base those facts on, which are quite clearly wrong. So yes it is very much based on your lack of understanding, when you post such things about trade.

again watch the video then come and comment. it does a far better job of explaining than I ever could and from someone who know what they are talking about, not some stupid leaflet with lies on it.

 

[MikeTheNative]

What I find funny from some of the leave people is when a chief exec of business or owner etc say leave they go 'this successful man/woman says out, says what the people what.... etc' But when the a chief exec says stay, it's ' they are only looking out for the business not the average person, they want more money for themselves.'

 

[balky12]

it has little to do with your views. so come on dude. its about the opinions you base those facts on, which are quite clearly wrong. So yes it is very much based on your lack of understanding, when you post such things about trade.

again watch the video then come and comment. it does a far better job of explaining than I ever could.

So you think there will be a massive change in trade? Please enlighten me how trade will change.

I'll watch the video when I get in.

ALL HAIL OMNICIENT GLAUCUS

p.s. you even know that all I have read are leaflets covered in lies. You stalking me?

 

[kibblerok]

You'll get the new poll early Friday morning .

 

[Nate--IRL--]

As the EU experiences more problems (a lot more financial issues to come, for example), they will undoubtedly see the solution as tighter integration and acceleration of the move towards a federal Europe. It's often asked "What problem is the EU solving?", this will be seen as self-fulfilling in the future, I expect.

The Five Presidents report is a good indicator of where things are heading.

Policy areas

Economic Union

A genuine Economic Union that ensures each economy has the structural features to prosper within the Monetary Union. The Commission is proposing a system of national Competitiveness Boards to provide independent expertise on assessing performance and reforms. It is also working to streamline the European Semester which helps deliver reforms at national and EU level.




Financial Union

Guaranteeing the integrity of the euro across the Monetary Union by limiting risks to financial stability and increasing risk-sharing with the private sector. Creating a banking union is key to guaranteeing the integrity of the euro and increase risk-sharing with the private sector.




Fiscal Union

A Fiscal Union that delivers both fiscal sustainability and fiscal stabilisation. The Commission is proposing an independent European Fiscal Board (EFB) to act as an advisory body to the euro area’s system of multilateral economic monitoring.




Political Union

Providing the foundation for economic, financial and fiscal union through genuine democratic accountability, legitimacy and institutional strengthening. This includes getting European and national parliaments, and social partners, more closely involved in national reform programmes, and proposing a more unified representation for the euro area in international financial institutions especially the IMF.

Nate

 

[Glaucus]

So you think there will be a massive change in trade? Please enlighten me how trade will change.

I'll watch the video when I get in.

ALL HAIL OMNICIENT GLAUCUS

oh look more silly side comments from you.

how will trade not change?
all our trade is based on single market currently.
you even have the official stance of inida, usa, china amongst others.
we now what deals Norway have and they are not good, even their own report said their deal was less than ideal.

so when you watch the video come back and respond on trade.

 

[Nate--IRL--]

So you think there will be a massive change in trade? Please enlighten me how trade will change.

For one - upon leaving, the UK will have no trade agreements, with anyone.

Nate

 

[Freakbro]

"Meanwhile, Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan tweeted: "When I invited Sayeeda Warsi to join the Leave campaign, she declined." - Try and find something she's said about Leaving the EU before this weekend. I couldn't find ANYTHING. She's a plant, and was obviously intending on 'defecting' on the final week regardless of what happened.

Then she's not much of a plant if she didn't say anything

And if all politicians are lying scumbags, why do you believe Daniel Hannan?

Remain will stoop to any level. Look at the stuff going on with Jo Cox. Disgusting!

Care to elaborate? As I haven't been watching anything on TV anymore about the referendum

 

[b0redj0rd]

 

[Freakbro]

So you don't think an unusually quiet MP (Warsi) has just been rolled out to say what she has said to suddenly pull some more ethnic voters because the remain camp are getting scared?

Umm, no? Because like I said, if she wanted to do that she would have campaigned for Remain to begin with.

You see there are other explanations than the paranoid ones you have.

A bit like Corbyn, he has been very quiet on the Remain side because, imo, he personally doesn't want to Remain but that is his position being in charge of the Labour party, so he isn't putting a lot of effort into it.

Maybe Warsi was a Leaver, but she obviously didn't like who she was having to cosy up with, so hasn't been that pro-active. Now with that poster being the last in a long list of things that have upset her about the Leave campaign, she has finally had enough and changed sides.

Or she is a super secret plant from the start, just biding her time to leap out and announce she was changing sides at the end to put a final blow into Leaves camp

It is politics smart arse, anything can and will happen and anything can and will be said by either side, especially today and the few days before voting.

Take your head out the sand.

Oh yea, and see what, like others have posted on here that 'they know' the vote will be rigged and that we won't be 'allowed' to leave

They use pencils don't you know for the vote...I mean, all those EU shills are going to be behind the scenes rubbing out the Leave X's and replacing them with Remain X's

I think it's you guys who need to get your head out of the delusional world it lives in

 

[balky12]

oh look more silly side comments from you.

how will trade not change?
all our trade is based on single market currently.
you even have the official stance of inida, usa, china amongst others.
we now what deals Norway have and they are not good, even their own report said their deal was less than ideal.

so when you watch the video come back and respond on trade.

You are hilarious. Silly comments. You have sounded like a broken record with your 'lack of basic understanding' comments over the last 3/4 pages.

All I am saying is we heard exactly the same threats during the Euro campaign. Foreign investment will stop, our economy will plunge, banks will leave our shores, trade will suffer... None of that happened. Is it that much of a stretch to think that maybe, just maybe the experts might have this slightly wrong too?

I have given you the go ahead to come back and tell me 'I told you so' when everything you said comes to fruition, what else do you want?

To be fair I can't see a huge amount changing for me any how...

 

[Mr Jack]

Newsthump's Managing Editor has written a surprisingly thoughtful, balanced piece on why he's coming down on the Remain side.

 

[balky12]

For one - upon leaving, the UK will have no trade agreements, with anyone.

Nate

You think that will not be immediately resolved? After all we are the 2nd biggest buyer of German cars. After the motherland itself.

Can't imagine the Germans finding that demand elsewhere?

Trade deals are in everyone's best interests whether we are in or out.

 

[Glaucus]

what I've been on a stuck record for the past few pages, for you to actually watch a video and to research what you base your opinions on. rather than just going yeah that's the way it is, and then stick fingers in ears.

 

[Third Opinion]

I must admit I almost spat my coffee out with this Baroness Warsi thing.

Good Morning Britain with Peers Morgan were describing her as a big hitter. At the time I must admit I never heard of her.

Then to hear at lunchtime that the Leave camp had no idea she was even supposedly on their side was hilarious.

I suppose she fits in well with Europe and politics, another person nobody knows who the **** they are or what they do.

 

[Arazi]

 

[datalol-jack]

I thought GD would stay above stooping to arguing the finer points of moral high horses over a dead body -- I was wrong. What sort of fiends you lot are? Ffs, have at least a modicum of respect and common sense to not turn this thread into another March of the Bigots.

Then she's not much of a plant if she didn't say anything

And if all politicians are lying scumbags, why do you believe Daniel Hannan?



Care to elaborate? As I haven't been watching anything on TV anymore about the referendum

Beside Farage playing the victim over a politicised murder of a promising parliamentarian, one other far-right muppet is actually going to contest her seat: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...tion-liberty-gb-bnp-jack-buckby-a7091141.html.

No sense, humanity or compassion, with a Dunning–Kruger effect in full glare of the media hungry for scandal and drama to push ads.

You aren't missing much. It's truly awful.

 

[Dave M]

You think that will not be immediately resolved? After all we are the 2nd biggest buyer of German cars. After the motherland itself.

Can't imagine the Germans finding that demand elsewhere?

I can't imagine potential BMW buyers switching to a Honda if the BMW was 3% more expensive either.

 

[Nate--IRL--]

You think that will not be immediately resolved? After all we are the 2nd biggest buyer of German cars. After the motherland itself.

Can't imagine the Germans finding that demand elsewhere?

Trade deals are in everyone's best interests whether we are in or out.

Yes I believe it will be resolved, after about 10 years, which seems to be average length of time to negotiate a Trade deal.

Nate