Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[Arazi]

The UK is probably the biggest or in the top 3 economic powers in Europe, do people in the remain camp really think we have neither the power or clout to negotiate terms that are at least equal to what we have at the moment.

We are not Greece, no offence to Greece either.

 

[Arazi]

I'm just watching Clegg on BBC news.

"leaving the EU will unleash dark forces"

Said Yoda.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Our exit process is governed by Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. Nothing will change on the 24th June, Cameron will simply give the notification to leave. We then continue to be subject to the treaties until we leave, most likely in a negotiated manner, but possibly by simply being dumped out on June 24th 2018, or by the UK parliament passing an act removing the EU from UK law.

Thanks to you, and others who have helped explain the process in some detail. Appreciated.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Some serious money moving on Brexit betting now and most of it is being place on remain - Betfair have it as 75% for remain, 25% for leave.

So, seems like even the bookies have recognised the leave campaign losing momentum.

 

[Zethor]

The UK is probably the biggest or in the top 3 economic powers in Europe, do people in the remain camp really think we have neither the power or clout to negotiate terms that are at least equal to what we have at the moment.

We are not Greece, no offence to Greece either.

France, Germany, Italy, Poland etc. have clearly and repeatedly stated the UK will not get a deal anywhere near as good as the current one.

 

[Arazi]

At least equal? So you think we'll have the same terms or better, but be able to opt out of the free movement of people?

I was talking more about business.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Surety the VAT situation would be the same as say the UK and other non-EU states are currently?

Nate

VAT is general taxation. It is the method of putting tax onto goods and consumption and away from general tax rates. As such it penalises the poorer. Will it change? Will pigs fly?

 

[Nate--IRL--]

It depends on what you mean by this. Removing EU regulations would be insanely complex but I don't think we'll do that. I think we'll "snapshot" all current EU regulations at the exit date and bring them into UK law, and also all prior EU court judgements pertaining to the UK, and leave them as they are until challenged or changed. This is similar to how other common law countries have diverged their law from UK law.

Removing the EU's authority is a relatively simple matter - at least for England - but the devolution treaties may be tricky and the Irish peace deal is going to be an absolute nightmare.

Actually yes, that makes a lot of sense.

VAT is general taxation. It is the method of putting tax onto goods and consumption and away from general tax rates. As such it penalises the poorer. Will it change? Will pigs fly?

I know, he meant the way VAT is applied internationally, between states.

Nate

 

[Sagalout]

Out of interest, if we leave and then join the EEA in Norway style deal (which will simply be a government decision not a further referendum) will those that have campaigned to leave be happy with the overall outcome?

It's probably unlikely I know, as a leave vote would likely result in Cameron resigning, a leadership campaign and Boris becoming PM. Then again Boris did make a film saying how wonderful Turkey was and how it should be allowed to join the EU, so perhaps unlike Mrs T, the Boris is for turning!

 

[Arazi]

France, Germany, Italy, Poland etc. have clearly and repeatedly stated the UK will not get a deal anywhere near as good as the current one.

I don't care what they say, it is what they actually do that matters and my opinion is that we will do just as well being out of the EU as being in the EU.

Do you believe them when they say those things? would you believe them if they said they would give us better deals if we left?

 

[joeyjojo]

I'll take my information from people who don't have a vested interest in remaining in the EU, correct.

I thought Burnsy already explained this to you? https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29654230&postcount=5428

Writing off every academic as having a "vested interest" because the EU organises a big chunk of research funding is small-minded (to put it as politely as I can).

It says a lot about your character that you think any academic would produce Remain-biased videos for the public out of self-interest for EU grant money.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Do you believe them when they say those things?

Yes, because it's in their best interests to ensure we don't get as good a deal.

would you believe them if they said they would give us better deals if we left?

No, because it wouldn't be in their best interest.

 

[thep02]

I don't know why you need to 'ask again ' - this information is freely available.

When Brexit loses it will be because of very loud committed race/nationalists who have loudly and persistently put off reasonable brexit voters, still out but feeling contempt for the campaign and most of my fellow voters.

I might place some cash on a remain vote so I'll be happyy whatever the result.

 

[Uther]

Some serious money moving on Brexit betting now and most of it is being place on remain - Betfair have it as 75% for remain, 25% for leave.

So, seems like even the bookies have recognised the leave campaign losing momentum.

Yeah leave had the momentum last week, but a bit of capitalising off the back of a dead mp has swung things in the other direction it seems.

 

[Mr Jack]

The polls had started moving back before her death had an impact on them. Feel free to keep beating that tasteless drum if we end up voting remain, though.

Just a bit of polling that backs that up. Most commentators expected a swing back to Remain as the campaign reaches it close - that's the pattern of other referenda - so it's impossible to say how much of an impact Jo Cox's murder has had.

 

[Mr Jack]

The UK is probably the biggest or in the top 3 economic powers in Europe, do people in the remain camp really think we have neither the power or clout to negotiate terms that are at least equal to what we have at the moment.

Yes. The terms we have now are good terms. The population of the rest of Europe is fed up with us grumbling, complaining and getting special treatment the whole time; there will not be a public appetite for giving the UK even better terms if we turn our back on our friends and allies in the EU.

 

[Judgeneo]

The polls had started moving back before her death had an impact on them. Feel free to keep beating that tasteless drum if we end up voting remain, though.

Depends how you read the polls, there haven't really been any "clean" polls showing the effect before and after.

I don't think that remain has exploited the death, but they didn't have to. The national mood changed from defiant and optimistic, to sombre and reflective. That alone is to advantage of remain. The two day break in campaigning crushed all the momentum that leave was building too.


It is looking a lot more likely that remain will win though. Which is heartbreaking.

 

[Deleted member 2277]

Even if your original information wasn't the whole picture or is flawed in some way?

Do you mean can I be easily swayed by all of the remain propaganda? No.

I haven't had my head in the sand for the last 12 months and then decided to try and make my mind up in the last 4 weeks as the lies, threats and visions of Armageddon have been in full swing.

 

[Mr Jack]

I don't think that remain has exploited the death, but they didn't have to. The national mood changed from defiant and optimistic, to sombre and reflective. That alone is to advantage of remain. The two day break in campaigning crushed all the momentum that leave was building too.

I think this is a fair assessment.

 

[Uther]

The polls had started moving back before her death had an impact on them. Feel free to keep beating that tasteless drum if we end up voting remain, though.

Do you really think her death had no effect whatsoever on the coming vote?