As Cameron\UKIP said "people should pay in before using the NHS"
You don't know if they are working full time or are getting tax credits.
Pay in before you take out. Very easy to understand. That's what I did in the US.
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As Cameron\UKIP said "people should pay in before using the NHS"
You don't know if they are working full time or are getting tax credits.
Pay in before you take out. Very easy to understand. That's what I did in the US.
Yes I believe that's the propaganda technique known as Reductio ad Hitlerum
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I just can't comprehend how anyone can make this decision based off of current arguments, for me it becomes a more anthropological decision based off the idea of humans and society in general progressing and working together to resolve issues, although Europe is far from perfect I think we are at least heading in the right direction in this sense.
I try to look at the end goal and it's obvious to me we are heading towards a more unified planet and the EU is a stepping stone towards that, being an area of so many different countries I think it's the perfect smelting pot to help us to learn how to overcome our differences and essential to our societal development.
Most of the current information going around just seems so trivial to me.
I try to look at the end goal and it's obvious to me we are heading towards a more unified planet and the EU is a stepping stone towards that, being an area of so many different countries I think it's the perfect smelting pot to help us to learn how to overcome our differences and essential to our societal development.
Most of the current information going around just seems so trivial to me.
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The "He's me bruvva from another muvva" stuff isn't working, the migrant crisis is testament to that, sorry. Noticed the fences going up? The right wing sentiments? "Societal development" (Christ, where do people get this stuff?) ain't working. It's a dream for dreamers. Humans are, and for the foreseeable future, will remain, tribal. When pushed this tribalism becomes more base, and there's a lot of pushing going on.
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Based on that once our children turn 18 or finish school they should also pay in for certain amount of time before they can use NHS services again?
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I don't see things improving and don't care for the politics. I will be voting to stay in! From what I've been reading, there is a lot of scaremongering around leaving and yet to have any real figures on what the benefits will be!
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Lets not use the US as any sort of example of how to run a health system.
Just back from a few days travelling and catching up with this thread. It's funny how the debates just goes around in circles. I still find it hard to believe certain posters still try and claim the EU is democratic/not heading toward an unelected superstate etc despite the evidence, and when even some remain supporters agree with that.
One thing that isn't open to debate is what's come out of the mouths of those at the heart of the EU "project", so a quick refresh might be helpful:
I really hope we win, but I think remain is more likely at this stage, particularly given the recent tragic killing of Jo Cox and the remain camps subsequent push to smear the Brexit campaign. At least when people wake up and inevitably see what the EU is really all about (more countries, more powers, centralization of power, less democracy, less accountability etc) I can look back and have a clear conscious.
One thing that isn't open to debate is what's come out of the mouths of those at the heart of the EU "project", so a quick refresh might be helpful:
I really hope we win, but I think remain is more likely at this stage, particularly given the recent tragic killing of Jo Cox and the remain camps subsequent push to smear the Brexit campaign. At least when people wake up and inevitably see what the EU is really all about (more countries, more powers, centralization of power, less democracy, less accountability etc) I can look back and have a clear conscious.
How much should you pay then?
You don't have to earn more in the states either. You only need a gross income of $20k + $5k for any dependant person. In the UK you need a gross income of £18k.
I'm for brexit, and for controlled migration, but this whole benefits thing is a complete red herring.
It's a flight of fancy to think the world is going to be one big happy family. History says otherwise - look at all past empires.
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Found this to be interesting, especially the part about it costing us around the same just to enter the European trade market, than how much we are paying to be a member of the european Union.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8
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Except the EU was born out of the idea of a single market to facilitate trade. What it's morphed into now is something entirely different.
We can still work together but do so on our terms instead of a central body telling us what to do and what to spend our money on.
The Syrian migrant crisis for example was brought about because of liberal thinking eurocrats and their reluctance sending military forces to tackle ISIS headon. Crackpots like Merkel then encouraging immigrants into Europe with no forward thought as to the effect it'll have.
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If by interesting you mean an utter disaster, then you may be somewhere close to the truth.
An EU Army means we will never again be able to act unilaterally again. It is a massive mistake.
By that time the parents have put something in to the system.
I said it was I did in the US. There is a difference
You do realise that UK was involved pretty much since the day one of the process of single market "morphing" into something entirely different. Past governments and representatives of this country helped create the EU of today. It's not some kind of alien entity that was forced on UK or any other EU member state, we (as in all the EU countries) created it together.
Yes some had/ have bigger say than others but it's a joined process.
Yes and that was already spent (and probably more) on their education and NHS costs that they needed as children.
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If you are accepting his predictions are accurate then he also states
"but in any case there was a good chance the EU will collapse due to the migration crisis and challenges in Greece."
http://https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/09/george-soros-warns-britain-leaving-could-be-end-of-eu
So he is saying in or out the EU is likely to collapse which would obviously have a knock on affect but I would argue being out of the EU we would be better positioned to mitigate against this.
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Originally Posted by deuse View Post
As Cameron\UKIP said "people should pay in before using the NHS"
You don't know if they are working full time or are getting tax credits.
Pay in before you take out. Very easy to understand. That's what I did in the US.
Posted by Bayo000 Based on that once our children turn 18 or finish school they should also pay in for certain amount of time before they can use NHS services again?
I used to work in the EC department once upon a time, during my time there EU nationals used to request an E104 certificate proving they had paid UK NI so they could get back into the health systems back home. Never saw any from the other direction. I left in 2000 I wonder if that form even still exists.
As Cameron\UKIP said "people should pay in before using the NHS"
You don't know if they are working full time or are getting tax credits.
Pay in before you take out. Very easy to understand. That's what I did in the US.
Posted by Bayo000 Based on that once our children turn 18 or finish school they should also pay in for certain amount of time before they can use NHS services again?
I used to work in the EC department once upon a time, during my time there EU nationals used to request an E104 certificate proving they had paid UK NI so they could get back into the health systems back home. Never saw any from the other direction. I left in 2000 I wonder if that form even still exists.
As I've already said. Pay 5 years in to the system with tax credits or have your own insurance including Cancer care.
You don't have to earn more in the states either. You only need a gross income of $20k + $5k for any dependant person. In the UK you need a gross income of £18k.
Before you get your citizenship(up to 10 years) you have to have your own health insurance and job\place to live for that time.
Anyway back on topic.
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