Yeah you can imagine trying to get Germanys support to remove a foreign dictator or something, it'd be like trying to negotiate free movement with the EU
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Yeah you can imagine trying to get Germanys support to remove a foreign dictator or something, it'd be like trying to negotiate free movement with the EU
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Why? If we contribute a battalion to a quick reaction force, what stops us also undertaking other military operations?
There is exactly zero chance of this happening this century. It's likely we'll increase military co-operation with other EU countries and that may mean making some contribution to an EU force but it won't be anything that really qualifies as an "EU army" and it won't compromise our ability to act independently. Can you really imagine any UK Prime Minister signing up to that? And if you can, if you have that little faith in the UK's future prime ministers, why wouldn't you want an EU superstate to protect you from these loons?
It's good that you're so confident. I'm sure someone who claimed in 1975 that the EU may be able to control our borders or VAT would have got a similar reaction back then, but look where we are.
Do you have reliable sources for these quotations? I checked the first one, and there seems to be no reliable source for it.
Neither our borders nor our VAT rates are controlled by the EU. Did you not notice Brown/Darling cutting VAT to 15% to stimulate our economy, and then Cameron/Osborne hiking it to 20%? There are some rules about how we can set our VAT rates, these do not constitute "control".
An EU Quick Reaction Force? LOL, by the time all 28 member states have agreed it can be used Putin's tanks will already be rolling down the streets of London.
The EU Army is going to replace, not compliment the British Army. We don't let Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland have their own army in our union, the EU isn't going to let us have ours once.
Yes, zero chance. Can you imagine a British Prime Minister standing up and saying to the British people that we were surrendering our right to independent military action? Can you?
It's scaremongering nonsense from Leave, once again.
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I don't think it's likely, but a lot can change in 84 years.
Prime ministers of late have been rather reckless, the first sign is the EURO, i want to see how long we take for us to join it.
I doubt we will, but the possibility isnt "impossible".
Well surely you have to admit that constitutes 'some' control?
I couldn't imagine a British Prime Minister standing up and saying they were giving back 20% of our rebate for nothing ... and then it happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Scots_Army Once we enter into a full political union with the EU then the British Army will go the same way as the Royal Scots Army. Eurocorps is already the standing army of the EU - they are commanded by a Lieutenant General and have 1,000 full time troops. You don't need a Lt. Gen. for 1,000 troops, they're preparing to be the single command structure for the EU Army.
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I don't think people release how much change occurs in that time frame, look back at the changes in the last 84 years, people seem to live in this bubble where by what they see they believe to be the consistent norm for hundreds of years!, there are going to be radical changes during the life expectancy of an average human being.
We had full control of these areas when we last voted, now we don't.
The EU has progressively taken more and more control, over more and more areas, and it's clear the direction it is heading in. To think that it won't want more control over more areas in the coming years ignores their track record and stated aims, and is disingenuous from the remain camp.
And it seems someone who knows more about the military than both of us disagrees with you.
You mad?
"EU member states are each required to adopt a value added tax that complies with the EU VAT code. Different rates of VAT apply in different EU member states, ranging from 17 to 27%. The total VAT collected by member states is used as part of the calculation to determine what each state contributes to the "EU's budget"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax
It's a EU thing. We can drop it once we leave.
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Because in a multinational force, assets are split and commanded by an international structure. What I suspect will happen is that eventually our assets would be spread to the four winds, with the infrastructure assets being purchased between countries (so all contribute to the cost of an aircraft carrier for example), so getting together a force large enough with our own assets to move them to theatre and support and sustain will be impossible without EU agreement. What happens when our intended action is contrary to the EU position? We'd be buggered.
Retaining full control and ownership of all military assets at all times and refusing to contribute in any way to any EU military structure or asset acquisition programme is the only way to guarantee our ability to act when we need to.
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Seriously?
Under EU law, the standard rate of VAT in any EU state cannot be lower than 15%
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