Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Judgeneo said:
Aye, its probably going to be a pooling of resources under EU command. We'll find out on June 24 when the report is published. Conveniently just after the result...
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I will lol so hard. I'm sure will then be telling us what a great idea it is really.
 
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Well considering VAT would never go to outside of those values, i think the point it proves is that eu restrictions are reasonable a, at least as VAT goes.

Though Jack is right in saying that the EU does not control our VAT.
 
Uther said:
I will lol so hard. I'm some will then be telling us what a great idea it is really.
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To be fair to them, Mr Jack and Freakbro (and probably a few others) have been open and honest and posted about their desire for an EU Army to replace the British Army. If only the pro-EU campaign could be open and honest and also say that a vote for remain would mean and EU Army and tell us why this is a good thing. I am, above all a democrat at heart - if people are told the truth I believe they make the right decision, even if it's not the decision I would have made. That's why I can't stand this Cameronism brand of politics where bigger and bigger lies are told to win elections at all costs.
 
scorza said:
Almost every article I've read on the EU Army talks about integration and not co-operation. What do you think that means?
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I'll take that as you don't know and have no source then. Lets focus on what we know, no what the tea leaves in your cup are suggesting to you.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I'll take that as you don't know and have no source then. Lets focus on what we know, no what the tea leaves in your cup are suggesting to you.
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Absolutely not. If the pro-EU campaign can talk about WW3 starting, house prices collapsing by 20%, everyone being £4k a year worse off, the sky falling in then I can talk about the creation of an EU Army, which actually is a lot more likely than anything else above given that it's a stated objective for many senior European politicians.

Here you are, a source talking about 'integrating' Europe's armed forces http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ck-EU-army-in-exchange-for-renegotiation.html
 
Burnsy2023 said:
How is this different from any other multi-national military structure such as NATO or the UN? Why would it have to be different?
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I contend that it is different because NATO and the UN are international entities across continents. What we are discussing here is an entirely European affair with no impartial or external oversight or control.

I think one of the main reasons it would be different would be cost. Military technology is painfully expensive and continues to increase in cost. A number of EU countries simply can't afford to keep pace and pooling capability and finance actually makes perfect sense and spreads risk from an EU perspective.
 
George Hincapie said:
I contend that it is different because NATO and the UN are international entities across continents. What we are discussing here is an entirely European affair with no impartial or external oversight or control.

I think one of the main reasons it would be different would be cost. Military technology is painfully expensive and continues to increase in cost. A number of EU countries simply can't afford to keep pace and pooling capability and finance actually makes perfect sense and spreads risk from an EU perspective.
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There are plenty of "poor" countries who are members of NATO i.e -

Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Albania.
 
Mr Jack said:
That's not correct, the EU rules our government decided to agree to set minimum rates only not maximum rates.
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Your misreading it or not not doing things right.

"Additionally, EU rules state that UK VAT rates cannot be lowered below an EU harmonised standard rate of 15% or adjusted on specific goods
without approval of the Commission."

Control right there.

"Over the seven years from 2007-13, the UK paid over £15.4 billion in VAT contributions
to the EU, an average of £2.2 billion a year. This amounts to just under 18 per cent of
the EU’s annual VAT revenue, despite the UK population being only 13 per cent of the EU whole.

http://forbritain.org/euvat.pdf
 
Metallifux said:
restrict
rɪˈstrɪkt/Submit
verb
put a limit on; keep under control.
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You say control as if they can choose the VAT value, when they just set limits.

You can play with semantics all you wish but once you dissect all these scary control statements, you find that the restrictions are not just unlikely to affect the UK but incredibly reasonable.

You dress up these restrictions as a power hungry move but in reality, we rely too much on VAT to drop below 15% and none of us would be happy with anywhere near 27%.

So tell me why you are not happy with these 'controls'?
 
deuse said:
Your misreading it or not not doing things right.

"Additionally, EU rules state that UK VAT rates cannot be lowered below an EU harmonised standard rate of 15% or adjusted on specific goods
without approval of the Commission."

Control right there.

"Over the seven years from 2007-13, the UK paid over £15.4 billion in VAT contributions
to the EU, an average of £2.2 billion a year. This amounts to just under 18 per cent of
the EU’s annual VAT revenue, despite the UK population being only 13 per cent of the EU whole.

http://forbritain.org/euvat.pdf
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So why doesn't our government lower the VAT rate to lower contributions?
 
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