Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[[TW]Fox]

"EU rules state that UK VAT rates cannot be lowered below an EU harmonised standard rate of 15% or adjusted on specific goods
without approval of the Commission."


It's not hard to understand dude.

What do you think the chances of a VAT rate below 15% are in the event we vote to leave?

 

[Hagar]

The point is that we have free will and blaming our shortcomings on the EU only shifts blame away from what is at fault.

If employment is an issue, tackle employment.

If lack of services are an issue, tackle that.

Blaming it on migration when so much balances on top of the huge pile of taxed money we obtain from both UK and non UK citizens, is just foolish.

OK provide the jobs and the services, but then again you have to consider a limit, whether it is 70, 80, 90 or 100 million, that we as an island should support.

nett immigration of 330k is 1 million in three years, 10 in 30 years. This does not include births in the UK.

I think that it will change the country substantially to add 2-3 million persons each five to ten years.

 

[eggcup]

What do you think the chances of a VAT rate below 15% are in the event we vote to leave?

Zero to none?

 

[[TW]Fox]

If it's so bad, how come most Norwegian's are quite happy to stay outside the EU?

Because they still benefit from most of the benefits of EU membership through the sort of arrangement that almost makes leaving a waste of time?

 

[Burnsy2023]

But who is going to put in charge of it? That's my worry.

Well if we actually engage, it's very likely they'll be British.

 

[deuse]

What do you think the chances of a VAT rate below 15% are in the event we vote to leave?

Yes. For a simple reason we won't have to give the EU their share of our vat any more.
I have posted how much we lose in VAT to the EU.

"Over the seven years from 2007-13, the UK paid over £15.4 billion in VAT contributions
to the EU, an average of £2.2 billion a year. This amounts to just under 18 per cent of
the EU’s annual VAT revenue, despite the UK population being only 13 per cent of the EU whole."

 

[Skunkworks]

If it's so bad, how come most Norwegian's are quite happy to stay outside the EU?

Racist, little Norwayers.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Yes. For a simple reason we won't have to give the EU their share of our vat any more.
I have posted how much we lose in VAT to the EU.

In not sure how 'Yes' is an answer to 'What do you think the chances of a VAT rate below 15% are in the event we vote to leave?'

So I'll ask again..

 

[Burnsy2023]

Yes. For a simple reason we won't have to give the EU their share of our vat any more.
I have posted how much we lose in VAT to the EU.

"Over the seven years from 2007-13, the UK paid over £15.4 billion in VAT contributions
to the EU, an average of £2.2 billion a year. This amounts to just under 18 per cent of
the EU’s annual VAT revenue, despite the UK population being only 13 per cent of the EU whole."

Do you have a source for that? I didn't realise that any VAT receipts go directly to the EU not as part of our normal membership fees.

 

[deuse]

Well if we actually engage, it's very likely they'll be British.

You for get it will a EU Army not British.

 

[silversurfer]

What do you think the chances of a VAT rate below 15% are in the event we vote to leave?

Nope not happening. Last time we had 15% I remember rushing to buy a few computer parts I'd been saving up for, I dont anticipate us going back there with UK debt as it is. The cuts in spending are very much nessecery and he can only cut tax really if it performs in line with a rising tax revenue (high tax percentages can choke the chancellors take ironically)

This is partly to do with changes in tax, the tax free part of income tax seems much larger now and partly thats because they are picking up a lot on VAT and other taxes possibly. VAT isnt supposed to be on basic food goods hence its probably fairer this way on the poorest

If it's so bad, how come most Norwegian's are quite happy to stay outside the EU?

Norway does have a ton of oil vs UK which now just has a lot of debt and a little oil. But yea I dont think they are suffering outside the EU and they have a trade agreement of course.
UK certainly would be fine as we are important in Europe ( a large rich nation, lots of the EU is small really quite poor) no matter the politics ongoing

 

[deuse]

Do you have a source for that? I didn't realise that any VAT receipts go directly to the EU not as part of our normal membership fees.

Yes. I've already posted it. Have a read of the thread a few pages back.

 

[Mulder]

Racist, little Norwayers.

I love the remain argument of "but Norway has a terrible deal". Norweigan people disagree, and the opinion polls make for interesting reading here:

"On average, Norwegian voters are strongly opposed to Norwegian membership in the European Union. In a December 2015 poll, 18% were for, and 72% were against."

Seems they're pretty happy with the deal they've got.

 

[deuse]

In not sure how 'Yes' is an answer to 'What do you think the chances of a VAT rate below 15% are in the event we vote to leave?'

So I'll ask again..

I said yes and gave a reason. That's more then any MP would ever give you if you asked them

 

[Glaucus]

If it's so bad, how come most Norwegian's are quite happy to stay outside the EU?

they aren't, but the public voted that way.
there own reports into it say how terrible their current position is, but they have no choice. they consider being out is even worse than their current terrible deal.

a position some of you want us to be in.

 

[Burnsy2023]

You for get it will a EU Army not British.

And...? The UK is a very influential voice in defence matters. The Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe is usually British. We could be at the front of forming policy here if we wanted to.

 

[Mulder]

they aren't, but the public voted that way.
there own reports into it say how terrible their current position is, but they have no choice. they consider being out is even worse than their current terrible deal.

a position some of you want us to be in.

For your argument to make sense they would want to join the EU. As I posted above, 72% of Norwegians don't want that.

 

[footman]

The question of our sovereignty is one that has been bothering me, I'm quite happy with the other issues. Most of what I've read both here and elsewhere and in talking to people who want to leave seem to view the sovereignty issue as " we have no power, they rule us " etc.
So I've been doing some research in detail and I found this page:
https://publiclawforeveryone.com/20...n-law-is-supreme-can-parliament-be-sovereign/

and there are a couple of lines I would take from that document :

a) If EU law is supreme, can Parliament be sovereign? The answer is ‘yes’. Parliament can insist that domestic legislation—either generally, or in respect of particular Acts—is to prevail over EU law.

b) Ultimately, then, Parliament retains the domestic legal authority to make whatever laws it pleases, even if such laws conflict with EU law.

Obviously there are ifs and buts in the whole document that refer to these statements but these serve to qualify what I've just quoted, not negate them.
I think it's important (for me anyway) to read this kind of thing to obtain a balanced view although I appreciate that's the last thing many people want to do!

 

[Glaucus]

For your argument to make sense they would want to join the EU. As I posted above, 72% of Norwegians don't want that.

the goverment does.

as i said the people voted not. every report they ever done says their current deal with the EU is absolutely terrible. but better than being totally out.

so those saying yeah lets just not join the single market are delusional, and those saying lets join single market like Norway. yeah great its an extremely bad deal.

 

[scorza]

I love the remain argument of "but Norway has a terrible deal". Norweigan people disagree, and the opinion polls make for interesting reading here:

"On average, Norwegian voters are strongly opposed to Norwegian membership in the European Union. In a December 2015 poll, 18% were for, and 72% were against."

Seems they're pretty happy with the deal they've got.

On yesterday's Daily Politics they interviewed a Norwegian MP who described their last referendum on whether to join the EU or not in '94. Their In campaign was eerily similar to our current remain campaign. Amazingly, despite the dire predictions of the sky falling in if Norway didn't vote to join, everything continued OK the day after the referendum. All the elite politicians in Norway want to join, because they get to join this club, jet off to various locations looking important and things, whereas ordinary people see very little benefit in them doing that.