It's going to be another who can shout loudest contest without hearing any facts, it's pointless.
Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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It's going to be another who can shout loudest contest without hearing any facts, it's pointless.
oh you're in cambridge say no more worried about travelling around europe on your gap years are we ? never mind that we have visa free travel to 178 countries in or out of the eu.
Its not the same thing, its like paying £3000 to have the right to buy a car and getting £1000 back at the end of your payments, which is then spent on what the car company picks, its cost you £2000 to have £1000 spend for you.
OR
put 500 a month a way till you get £3000 and buy what you want at the end
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Rebate and all the EU funded projects means we actually pay a pittance in the grand scheme of things.
Where I live EU money has paid for some fairly massive infrastructure projects which have massively eased traffic congestion at peak times. I'd say the average working man would care about that, and I'm not at all convinced it would have been paid for by the UK government by itself.
Not how it works. Basic maths.
I get a £15 a month partners discount in my virgin TV every month. The bill is £50, minus the £15 rebate. I pay them £35 a month. At no point do I send them £50. Should I leave VM, I will be £35 a month better off, not £50.
The truth hurts right ? you think working class kids are worried about travelling in europe on mummy and daddys money ? they are worried about getting a job above minimum wage and not being homeless.
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Michael Heseltine (IN) just stated that the UK will join the Euro if UK remains in the EU.
Just in time for Italy and Spain to fail.
Just in time for Italy and Spain to fail.
it's not that they cant enjoy it it's that they do not even care about it and do not wish to enjoy it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-36578348
"Road traffic had been blocked as police fired tear gas to disperse 200 to 300 migrants"
BBC hide this little story away in the regional news section. Migrants carrying out acts of violence throwing stones at vehicles somehow isn't worthy of being headline news apparently. Nothing to do with the referendum taking place ...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...r-migrant-unrest-channel-port-power-problems/
"Road traffic had been blocked as police fired tear gas to disperse 200 to 300 migrants"
BBC hide this little story away in the regional news section. Migrants carrying out acts of violence throwing stones at vehicles somehow isn't worthy of being headline news apparently. Nothing to do with the referendum taking place ...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...r-migrant-unrest-channel-port-power-problems/
It is basic maths that so many of you seem completely unable to grasp.
We simply do NOT send £350 million a week and because of that we can NOT be £350 million better off.
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After a lot of reading;
We have two options.
If we vote remain, we pretty much know what we'll get because it's what we have now.
If we vote leave, all our cards are thrown into the air.
The leave camp would have us believe that they'll all come down in a nice pyramid, but bigger and better than the one we have now.
All the respected economic bodies say that our economy will do badly after Brexit.
You may choose to ignore all of them but if someone in your family was having a life-saving operation, would you trust the advice of a Consultant brain surgeon or get advice from a plumber or some shouty bloke down the pub?
What is for certain is that we'll be tearing up all our trade agreements.
This is not just the ones within the EU but also the 60+ genuinely advantageous agreements we have with other nations through the EU, including the US.
It can take a long time to set up trade deals.
It can take over ten years.
It's not the tarriffs that are the problem, it's all the legal issues; different countries have different standards, different prohibited materials, different safety standards.
This means that any manufacturer would then have to set up different production lines for different countries and they would have to do likewise for us.
What a single market really means is a single set of standards that manufacturers comply to.
This is what the EU is - not some autocratic body challenging our authority but the most advanced trading market in the world.
https://www.facebook.com/UniversityofLiverpool/videos/1293361974024537/?pnref=story
Contrary to popular opinion, nothing is really done in the EU without the consent of 'the big three' - the UK, France and Germany.
If we leave, we give up one of the most powerful positions in Europe - for what? To become like Norway and get the latest directives emailed to us without any say in them?
No-one has explained how a nation of our size can negotiate better trade deals than a market of 500m can.
Immigration; we have an opt out of the Schengen agreement.
We do not have open borders for non EU citizens.
If we vote leave, illegal immigration won't change because we have the same borders (unless the French get shirty and don't police their end, in which case we could end up with more)
Refugees - our responsibilities to refugees have nothing to do with the EU and will remain unchanged regardless of the vote.
That leaves EU citizens.
Any deal we cut with the EU following an exit vote will likely involve us still paying contributions to the EU and agreeing to the free movement of peoples.
This is what Norway has.
The leave campaign would have us believe that we can leave a members only club and say that we're not going to be paying our fees, won't abide by the club rules but still want full use of the facilities.
In the real world is this likely to happen?
The Swiss don't want to accept free movement of people but the EU is playing hard ball with them and not budging.
Is it worth risking our entire economy and the future of our country on the risk that we might be able to have a bit more control over EU migrants - who are more likely to be in work and not getting benefits than UK citizens?
Contributions to the EU; any deal we cut with the EU will involve us still paying contributions.
There's the Brexit 'Pink Fluffy Bunny' version where the EU and the rest of the world will just cave in to our demands and let us dictate terms to them.
Deals will be concluded quickly (not possible) and be 'highly favourable' because we have 'our own representatives' at the table.
Is this really an adult way to plan our Nations future?
Sovereignty; is not even an issue if you listen to people who actually know what they're talking about (at 3.20);
https://www.facebook.com/UniversityofLiverpool/videos/1293361974024537/?pnref=story
We have two options.
If we vote remain, we pretty much know what we'll get because it's what we have now.
If we vote leave, all our cards are thrown into the air.
The leave camp would have us believe that they'll all come down in a nice pyramid, but bigger and better than the one we have now.
All the respected economic bodies say that our economy will do badly after Brexit.
You may choose to ignore all of them but if someone in your family was having a life-saving operation, would you trust the advice of a Consultant brain surgeon or get advice from a plumber or some shouty bloke down the pub?
What is for certain is that we'll be tearing up all our trade agreements.
This is not just the ones within the EU but also the 60+ genuinely advantageous agreements we have with other nations through the EU, including the US.
It can take a long time to set up trade deals.
It can take over ten years.
It's not the tarriffs that are the problem, it's all the legal issues; different countries have different standards, different prohibited materials, different safety standards.
This means that any manufacturer would then have to set up different production lines for different countries and they would have to do likewise for us.
What a single market really means is a single set of standards that manufacturers comply to.
This is what the EU is - not some autocratic body challenging our authority but the most advanced trading market in the world.
https://www.facebook.com/UniversityofLiverpool/videos/1293361974024537/?pnref=story
Contrary to popular opinion, nothing is really done in the EU without the consent of 'the big three' - the UK, France and Germany.
If we leave, we give up one of the most powerful positions in Europe - for what? To become like Norway and get the latest directives emailed to us without any say in them?
No-one has explained how a nation of our size can negotiate better trade deals than a market of 500m can.
Immigration; we have an opt out of the Schengen agreement.
We do not have open borders for non EU citizens.
If we vote leave, illegal immigration won't change because we have the same borders (unless the French get shirty and don't police their end, in which case we could end up with more)
Refugees - our responsibilities to refugees have nothing to do with the EU and will remain unchanged regardless of the vote.
That leaves EU citizens.
Any deal we cut with the EU following an exit vote will likely involve us still paying contributions to the EU and agreeing to the free movement of peoples.
This is what Norway has.
The leave campaign would have us believe that we can leave a members only club and say that we're not going to be paying our fees, won't abide by the club rules but still want full use of the facilities.
In the real world is this likely to happen?
The Swiss don't want to accept free movement of people but the EU is playing hard ball with them and not budging.
Is it worth risking our entire economy and the future of our country on the risk that we might be able to have a bit more control over EU migrants - who are more likely to be in work and not getting benefits than UK citizens?
Contributions to the EU; any deal we cut with the EU will involve us still paying contributions.
There's the Brexit 'Pink Fluffy Bunny' version where the EU and the rest of the world will just cave in to our demands and let us dictate terms to them.
Deals will be concluded quickly (not possible) and be 'highly favourable' because we have 'our own representatives' at the table.
Is this really an adult way to plan our Nations future?
Sovereignty; is not even an issue if you listen to people who actually know what they're talking about (at 3.20);
https://www.facebook.com/UniversityofLiverpool/videos/1293361974024537/?pnref=story
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I'm not sure why you think I'm worried about travelling in europe on mummy and daddys money, I'm not even sure why you think I'm worried about travelling in europe. Firstly my gap year was 13 years ago. and secondly I'm doing well enough with my own money.
Your "truth" is self-entitled jealousy, and you reek of it.
Self entitled ? what unlike you lot with your eu funded arts projects ? only self entitled in this country are middle classes like you.
You think you have a right to a well paid job just because you went to uni.
The working class must suffer so you can have your melting pot dream (as long as romanians don't move next door right).
I will never be jealous of someone who lives to work.
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i never said we would be 350m "better off", i said we would have 350m which is true when broken down to weekly chunks, the only difference now is we don't send 150m to never be seen again in the EU, with the remaining part being spent by the EU, we can pick what the whole lot gets spent on
You do realise that these aren't the migrants that leaving the EU would stop coming in. Please tell me you realise that? The whole reason for the riots is us exercising our current unrelated-to-the-EU right not to let them in...
Didn't know he was the man that decides, good to know.
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