Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[ChroniC]

""" Video by professor of EU and Economics" It needs to be and should be required viewing for anyone intending to vote.

But its not the full story is it....

IMO everyone keeps posting stuff about the economical disasters about Brexit and it seems to be the crutch on which they stand, understandably, but it seems most of them don't take into account the ramification on staying in a culture and resource basis.
This is why I am split. I see a country going downhill due to being basically stretched to the limits. I see that having a strong economy serves the business and rich but having huge cultural divides, policing problems, nhs problems and housing problems as having more of an effect on me and the people than whether I can buy Banana or cars (imports!) at a low price etc.

As a possible Brexiter, I can see the risk of recession, but I can also see th risk of my life being worse off in either case from poor services, poor community, that will never get better.

I feel Damn if I do, and Damned if I don't.

 

[Six6siX]

Does it matter where the blame lays? If the infrastructure can't cope then it can't cope. Besides, immigration should be a tiny issue in the mind of anyone voting Leave; it's not quite irrelevant, but it pretty much should be.

*gets back on the fence and muses*

Well, it does - at least I think so. If the blame lies with our own government and it's strategies for (lack of) investment in public services and infrastructure, then using 'uncontrolled immigration' and the 'impact' on said public services as a reason for leaving the EU is senseless.

I agree it is a much wider issue but 9/10 times when someone says the are voting leave, it's because of immigration and because we don't have complete control of it. The entire argument of 'lack of democracy' boils down to immigration because of this very reason. Yet I'm struggling to see anything else we don't currently have control over in our own government which means the sovereignty and the whole un-democratic stance is nothing but the principle of the matter.

 

[teejay73]

A “fed up” man has taken out a full page ad in the Metro to make a point about the EU Referendum

Nicely put, Laurence Taylor.

I wonder what will be the figure in 10 years time when those migrants procreate? What future does that give our Children? That figure could be much higher than 3.3 million when you include their potential offspring! I worry that it's not sustainable.

The Governments lack of funding to public services and the ever increasing strain from migration would be too much imo. But hey ho, let the upcoming generation worry about whilst we wash our hands with it!

 

[Mr Jack]

Does it matter where the blame lays? If the infrastructure can't cope then it can't cope.

I think it does. Because if you wrongly place the blame then your solutions don't work and may even make things worse. I think there is plenty of good evidence that immigration, far from being harmful to our country, is actually beneficial. By cutting immigration in a misguided attempt to fix problems that are really about the failures of our government we not have the opportunity cost of not campaigning to fix the real problem but actually make the problem worse by losing the positive effects of immigration.

Besides, immigration should be a tiny issue in the mind of anyone voting Leave; it's not quite irrelevant, but it pretty much should be.

Unfortunately that is not the case, and it is primary issue for large sections of Leave.

 

[leaskovski]

Does it matter where the blame lays? If the infrastructure can't cope then it can't cope. Besides, immigration should be a tiny issue in the mind of anyone voting Leave; it's not quite irrelevant, but it pretty much should be.

*gets back on the fence and muses*

In a cleaver world, this would be the case, but we know there are a lot of stupid people in this country.

Immigration shouldn't be the only factor in this, it should be about what it is that the EU do/don't do for us and how as a country we cope with that.

Anyway, roll on tomorrow. regardless what happens, it will definitely make for some impelling viewing!

 

[Freakbro]

However when polled, didn't something like 70% of leave voters say their main reason for voting out was immigration?

Virtually everyone i've spoken to on the leave side in my place of work immediately cites immigration as the reason to "get out".

Funny that all the Leavers on here now are all pro-immigration after I asked earlier

 

[leaskovski]

I wonder what will be the figure in 10 years time when those migrants procreate? What future does that give our Children? That figure could be much higher than 3.3 million when you include their potential offspring! I worry that it's not sustainable.

The Governments lack of funding to public services and the ever increasing strain from migration would be too much imo. But hey ho, let the upcoming generation worry about whilst we wash our hands with it!

What about all the existing residents of the country when the procreate?

 

[George Hincapie]

Funny that all the Leavers on here now are all pro-immigration after I asked earlier

Surely they are pro-controlled immigration? Hardly the same as opening the doors and yelling "Come in! We don't care if you're a drain and won't contribute, we'll find somewhere for you to stay at tax payers expense and feed you and your 100 relatives and 50 children"

 

[Roar87]

Yes. I can very easily imagine private companies paying some valuable employees more than £143k 10'000 isn't that high of a number. I'm not sure what your qualifying point is - of course they're going to be above (or even at) senior manager level, and I imagine there are plenty of EU citizens at those levels. EU migrants aren't all fruit pickers from Romania.

... Yeah I'm not sure you understand, it's the European Union itself employing 10,000 people on over £143,000, not EU migrants. So a Governening body funded by UK and EU tax payers is paying 10,000 of it's staff more than we pay our Prime Minister. That's no problem for the remain camp though, £1.5bn+ well spent.

 

[Arazi]

Oh rellyyyyy... You know what you're right.... I love my wife and kids, they're ok, but they're a tie..... i cant do what i want to do anymore! So sometimes I think change would be good.... Ya know what, Sod it, its all about me in this life.... in the bin with the wife and the kids, I've heard tinder guarantee you a bird when you want, no strings attached...

Nawwwwwwwwwwwtttt..... il stick to what works for me ta. For the past 6 years my wife and I have been through redundancy as a result of Austerity + pay ***** and pay freezes....

As of now, i have a new careers and better wages after working hard to win an interview (my old colleagues and friends lost and are now redundant). I can put food on the table, keep the roof over our head and give my kids a good life!

Why on earth would i risk giving this up on an empty promise from a scum bag party who have no brexit plan or any control over public finances!

THANKS.... But no thanks.

IN!!!!

Thanks for that, i have totally changed my way of voting, what are you on?

Comparing leaving your wife and kids to leaving the EU? Are you real

Oh and both the remain side and leave side have got MP's from all political parties involved in both sides, so it clearly isn't 1 scumbag party as you seem to think.

 

[Freakbro]

Oh and both the remain side and leave side have got MP's from all political parties involved in both sides, so it clearly isn't 1 scumbag party as you seem to think.

Which is why I queried the other day why so many Leavers on here keep talking about this as a Left/Right issue

 

[Liefrich]

Most people in support of Brexit want access to the single market which will inevitably involve free movement of people from within the EU. So, in the event the UK votes to leave, it is very likely that immigration levels will remain the same especially as immigration is currently higher from non-EU countries (which we can control).

I believe it is best to stay in the EU which will allow the UK to have a place at the time in dictating future EU policy on the movement of people.

 

[platypus]

And now the bankers are saying stay in the EU, and you are following their advice?

Well, given that we generate such a huge amount of our money from the banking sector, it's highly likely to be beneficial to stay in the EU. Other financial capitals in Europe have been trying to poach UK banking "talent" (calling it that for want of a better word) for ages, and trying to wrestle domination from London, it's only likely to increase post-EU*.

*This is of course my own opinion of a very likely outcome of an EU exit, and in no way concrete.

 

[Mr Jack]

... Yeah I'm not sure you understand, it's the European Union itself employing 10,000 people on over £143,000, not EU migrants. So a Governening body funded by UK and EU tax payers is paying 10,000 of it's staff more than we pay our Prime Minister. That's no problem for the remain camp though, £1.5bn+ well spent.

The EU spends 6% of this budget on administration, and about half of that (3% of the total budget) on salaries. These do not seem to me to unreasonable figures.

Also, do your have a reliable source for this claim? Because everything I've seen relies on dubious twisting of the numbers to produce a claim that 10,000 are paid more than Cameron which is then further misrepresented as a claim that EU officials are paid more than £143,000.

If you look at the payscales you can see that you need to be on the higher end of at least Grade 13 (of 16) to get a salary on that scale. I can't find figures on how many are actually at that Grade but I sincerely doubt that the 30% or so required to make your claim true are.

 

[twist3d0n3]

 

[John40]

But they aren't coming in till the year 3000 Dave said so.

 

[Zethor]

What about all the existing residents of the country when the procreate?

Most of them are of pure blood so they don't count.

 

[MookJong]

We know this, they have been negotiating since 1995. It doesn't mean they are anywhere near fulfilling the requirements.

the world is more complex than a tweet.

 

[Tefal]

Most of them are of pure blood so they don't count.

****ing muggles

 

[Metallifux]

Funny that all the Leavers on here now are all pro-immigration after I asked earlier

Now now cheeky, you missed out the word controlled.