Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Roar87 said:
... Yeah I'm not sure you understand, it's the European Union itself employing 10,000 people on over £143,000, not EU migrants. So a Governening body funded by UK and EU tax payers is paying 10,000 of it's staff more than we pay our Prime Minister. That's no problem for the remain camp though, £1.5bn+ well spent.
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I must admit, after rereading, I misinterpreted the original post when replying earlier.
 
Roar87 said:
... Yeah I'm not sure you understand, it's the European Union itself employing 10,000 people on over £143,000, not EU migrants. So a Governening body funded by UK and EU tax payers is paying 10,000 of it's staff more than we pay our Prime Minister. That's no problem for the remain camp though, £1.5bn+ well spent.
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Wonder what kind of pension's these people get also... I imagine that would be a growing strain on the EU pot.
 
John40 said:
There is also widespread belief we're going to see public disorder on a grand scale this weekend.
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As there's usually widespread public disorder in my local market town on a Saturday how can I tell if it's about:

Girlfriend trouble / rivalry?

Football rivalry?

Excess booze?

Imbalanced testosterone levels?

Common or garden hooliganism?

Gypsy rivalry?

Pensioner medication mistakes (yes, really...)?

Or referendum rebuttals?

It will probably be hard to notice any behavioural changes to be frank.
 
John40 said:
Yes I imagine families are going to go like they did in the miners strike and have people not talk to each other for years.
I've already had it with my cousin who has not spoke to me since he discovered I would vote Out.
There is also widespread belief we're going to see public disorder on a grand scale this weekend.
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As a lot of people these days seem to be married to their cousins that is a concern, granted.
 
Moses said:
Will that be offered without freedom of movement being attached? Why would they give us a better deal than we have now? Why would they give us a better deal than the rest of the EU?
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They're not saying they'll give us a better deal. He's making the obvious point, that to slap the UK with trade barriers is a foolish thing to do.

Remain, however would have us believe that this is very much likely to happen in the event of us Leaving the EU.
 
Moses said:
Will that be offered without freedom of movement being attached? Why would they give us a better deal than we have now? Why would they give us a better deal than the rest of the EU?
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Considering that this statement has been made after the German position on us leaving had been made quite clear, it seems that it would still be lobbied for by the BDI. Whether the EU give in to industry lobbying is another matter - we're not negotiating directly with Germany in the event of Brexit (or at least I assume not as they're not allowed to do that as far as I understand).

Who knows? We would have two years at least to hammer out deals.
 
This is interesting:

A really crucial detail about the upcoming EU referendum has gone virtually unmentioned and it is probably the most crucial detail: Parliament doesn’t actually have to bring Britain out of the EU if the public votes for it.

That is because the result of June 23 referendum on Britain’s EU membership is not legally binding. Instead, it is merely advisory, and, in theory, could be totally ignored by UK government.

This incredible detail is explained in a new blog post by Financial Times columnist and legal expert David Allen Green.

Green says that no legal provision was included in the EU referendum legislation that requires UK Parliament to act in accordance with the outcome of the EU referendum.

Instead, what will happen next if the public votes for a Brexit will be purely a matter of parliamentary politics.

The government could decide to put the matter to parliament and then hope to win the vote, Green says. Alternatively, ministers could attempt to negotiate an updated EU membership deal and put it to another referendum.

Finally, the government could just choose to totally ignore the will of the public.
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(Source).

Apologies if already posted.
 
Evangelion said:
This is interesting
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Yeah, I think most people knew that. However, regardless of what it says in the bill, Cameron has made it very clear that a vote to Leave would result in the triggering of article 50. If anything else happened there would be widespread mutiny in the house of commons.
 
Moses said:
It's foolish in economic terms, but also just a political reality. They can't give single market like trade terms without insisting on the other party accepting the rest of the single market deal. And we won't accept that as it means accepting the free movement of people.
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South korea?
 
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