Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Tenuous said:
For the undecided:

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Lol. Total rubbish ! We are more likely to be allowed back in than to ever be offered another referendum. The EU needs us...
 
I heard someone say we get however many times as much out of the EU as we put in. Can anyone explain how that works ? Which countries are getting shafted to pay for this great deal we have ? It has genuinely baffled me
 
rawuk said:
That's a little hogwash.. I would not expect to see another referendum.

Unless it becomes like the scots and the SNP and every other week it's threatened. :o
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Quite, I certainly hope - whatever the result - that there isn't a repeated threat of another referendum around the corner.
 
rawuk said:
That's a little hogwash.. I would not expect to see another referendum.
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His point, a rather tenuous one it must be said, is that we can Leave the EU at any time by voting in a government that wants to Leave (e.g. UKIP) and then they can pass an Act of Parliament. While this is theoretically possible, our voting system makes it notoriously difficult for insurgent political parties, also the party that forms the government does not need >50% of the popular vote - this Conservative government got what? 37% of the vote overall in 2015? So I'm not sure we could tolerate such a government just taking us out of the EU without another referendum.
 
awaybreaktoday said:
What the hell has a statistic from 1986 got to do with today, too many people love looking back in the past...
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It how decent statistical analysis works?

Someone claimed that Spain is on the up over the last 18 months.

Another said that actually Spain's Youth Unemployment Rate averaged 34.32% from 1986..
 
At the risk of duplicating an earlier post, I'm still at a loss as to why the Tories put the referendum in their manifesto in the first place*, when the establishment position is that an exit result will destroy Britain. If Cameron et al are so concerned they still have time to call it off, otherwise you could argue he is guilty of treason and should be hanged as a traitor... :)

* Well actually we do know, it was to avoid UKIP winning a handful of seats and spoiling their chance of forming a majority.
 
"andy" said:
I heard someone say we get however many times as much out of the EU as we put in. Can anyone explain how that works ? Which countries are getting shafted to pay for this great deal we have ? It has genuinely baffled me
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It really is not as simple as

Money in = Money out

Or no one would ever have any trade deals or unions, as there would always be a loser in any deal. Throw in admin and running costs and you can argue everyone could potentially come out a loser.

The money we get directly from the EU does not include many other benefits we receive. An example would be foreign investors using the UK as a gateway to the EU. There would be nothing stopping them from moving to Ireland and continuing on as before, taking jobs and money with them.

The scientific community heavily rely on the constant flow of the most talented EU students who are only able to afford to come and study to stay on as researchers because of EU arrangements. Students from outside the EU are usually from incredibly rich backgrounds and do not normally stay on as researchers for some reason. The UK is thought of as a place that leads many areas of science due to its prestigious background and facilities but in reality, the rest of the world have either caught up or are catching up and if we let our standards slip, likely research projects in the future would be based elsewhere, with far more generous funding for science (our government has neglected science in the UK for the last decade or two and there is no sign of that changing). I no longer work as a researcher but when i did, it was not uncommon to find UK research teams made up mostly of European graduates. The popularity of physics has dropped and most local graduates actually go into finance rather than peruse research. The university i studied at was ranked 4th for physics in the country at the time and had about 60 people in the first year enter, with about 35/40 graduating by the end of it.


There are many other examples of benefits we receive from the EU. The video that got posted a few pages ago sums up quite a few of them.
 
balky12 said:
It how decent statistical analysis works?

Someone claimed that Spain is on the up over the last 18 months.

Another said that actually Spain's Youth Unemployment Rate averaged 34.32% from 1986..
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But the only thing that matters is how they are doing now, to many like to use stats to shape their argument when what matters most is the current reality and were things are going.
 
To be honest, the EU could still end up dissolving whether we leave or not, considering the outcry with other countries wanting their own referendum now. Sweden Switzerland deciding to not join after being in the process for the past 20 years signifies how things are going with the EU as a whole.

But leaving now means we can get ourselves into a better position when the EU does go pear shaped. And those who think it can change, reform will never happen considering the Eurocrats see nothing wrong with the lame behemoth that it is. Nor do they care or see the social problems they are causing on a mass scale across the continent.
 
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