Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%

  • Total voters
    1,759
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Why should he? This is not a problem of his making, whether that's something people like to think or not.

I disagree. Cameron has spent a decade appeasing the Euroskeptic wrong of the Tory party, blaming the EU, and talking rubbish on immigration. He made the bed, now we have to lie in it.
 
Just watched the Cameron half of the debate. I didn't think it was the disaster some suggested; the audience were much more hostile to him than Gove - or at least much less controlled. But I don't think there's any question Gove put in the better performance but I imagine going second was something of an advantage.
 
Just watched the Cameron half of the debate. I didn't think it was the disaster some suggested; the audience were much more hostile to him than Gove - or at least much less controlled. But I don't think there's any question Gove put in the better performance but I imagine going second was something of an advantage.

Cameron was seriously rattled. Though I'm no fan of Gove or any of them, cannot stand the guy but he was smooth.
 
Risks of leaving the EU:
- Economic calamity
- No more French wine or German cars
- Elderly expats returned to sender
- Return to medieval feudalism
- Everyone points and laughs at how small the UK is
- Nuclear Armageddon
- Boris as PM
- Actual motherflipping dinosaurs rampaging in London
- UK smothered by dark ominous cloud of racism
- Weekend trip to Benidorm costs a bit more than before

Is it really worth the risk?
 
Britain is fine, the whole Western World has morale issues, we've been through a financial crisis that caught us with our pants down and lead to the rise of Nationalism/Nativism, which manifest differently in each country (Brexit here).

When the whole world (minus Trump and Putin) tells you 'Don't do this, it's a bad idea', when every reputable financial institution tells you the same thing along with 90% of experts, scientists, artists, describing Remain as the sanity position is not ill thought out rhetoric.

Keep posting, the leave majority on here keeps getting bigger. ;)

Your first paragraph above basically says financial crisis = nationalism = brexit. Where do you get this stuff from? I and many other Brexit supporters are voting to leave based on our knowledge of the issues, not because we're blaming the EU on the financial crisis. I can't figure out if you genuinely believe this stuff or you are just doing your best to try and scare people to vote remain.

Your second post is basically a smear, associating anyone who supports Brexit with Putin or Trump. It's a 50/50 referendum, have you not figured out that by simple maths there will be unsavourary characters voting both ways? It's such a weak argument, 'this guy is voting the same as you and is nasty so that makes your vote wrong!'. Yawn.

You sound just like Cameron, zero conviction on what you're saying or actual knowledge of the issues, just a continuous spouting of 'but look, these people know better than us!'.
 
It's not just intellectuals, it's politicians too, the rich and other influential figures. Elites, generally speaking. Look at any turning point in the history of advanced democracies and you will notice that without a strong support from elites, significant changes in society simply do not occur, despite popular support. Strong support for something from elites is an important requirement before decisions are made and the support from elites for Brexit is quite weak - about 20-25% MP support, very low expert support, very low support from cultural/scientific figures.

So thats a no on being able to provide even a single specific example then.
 
Risks of leaving the EU:
- Economic calamity
- No more French wine or German cars
- Elderly expats returned to sender
- Return to medieval feudalism
- Everyone points and laughs at how small the UK is
- Nuclear Armageddon
- Boris as PM
- Actual motherflipping dinosaurs rampaging in London
- UK smothered by dark ominous cloud of racism
- Weekend trip to Benidorm costs a bit more than before

Is it really worth the risk?

 
Risks of leaving the EU:
- Economic calamity
- No more French wine or German cars
- Elderly expats returned to sender
- Return to medieval feudalism
- Everyone points and laughs at how small the UK is
- Nuclear Armageddon
- Boris as PM
- Actual motherflipping dinosaurs rampaging in London
- UK smothered by dark ominous cloud of racism
- Weekend trip to Benidorm costs a bit more than before

Is it really worth the risk?

:D

Many thanks for the early morning cheer up before I head off to work!

LOL
 
Risks of leaving the EU:
- Economic calamity
- No more French wine or German cars
- Elderly expats returned to sender
- Return to medieval feudalism
- Everyone points and laughs at how small the UK is
- Nuclear Armageddon
- Boris as PM
- Actual motherflipping dinosaurs rampaging in London
- UK smothered by dark ominous cloud of racism
- Weekend trip to Benidorm costs a bit more than before

Is it really worth the risk?

Not for that and to see the disappointment on his face. :p
 
Keep posting, the leave majority on here keeps getting bigger. ;)

Your first paragraph above basically says financial crisis = nationalism = brexit. Where do you get this stuff from? I and many other Brexit supporters are voting to leave based on our knowledge of the issues, not because we're blaming the EU on the financial crisis. I can't figure out if you genuinely believe this stuff or you are just doing your best to try and scare people to vote remain.

Your second post is basically a smear, associating anyone who supports Brexit with Putin or Trump. It's a 50/50 referendum, have you not figured out that by simple maths there will be unsavourary characters voting both ways? It's such a weak argument, 'this guy is voting the same as you and is nasty so that makes your vote wrong!'. Yawn.

You sound just like Cameron, zero conviction on what you're saying or actual knowledge of the issues, just a continuous spouting of 'but look, these people know better than us!'.

I don't post here to change anyone's opinion and it's "=>", not "=". It is also widely known that major crises lead to a rise in Nationalism and the literature behind that fact is vast and available everywhere. I'm not saying Euroscepticism spontaneously appeared due to the financial crisis, I'm saying Euroscepticism has made significant gains due to it and the Brexit referendum would not have happened without it.

The fact of the matter is you disagree with most of those who are informed on the matter and with those who are in decision making positions. You agree with a xenophobic snake oil salesman and a dictator.
 
Great tweet from Robert Preston: "The Gover says outside the EU a Tory government can show its true socialist colours by bailing out failing companies and industries" - it's extraordinary how left wing his post-Brexit vision seems to be. More money for the NHS! Money to bail out struggling industries!

I can't believe Gove kept a straight face while saying all that

We need the trickle down meme....
 
I don't post here to change anyone's opinion and it's "=>", not "=". It is also widely known that major crises lead to a rise in Nationalism and the literature behind that fact is vast and available everywhere. I'm not saying Euroscepticism spontaneously appeared due to the financial crisis, I'm saying Euroscepticism has made significant gains due to it and the Brexit referendum would not have happened without it.

The fact of the matter is you disagree with most of those who are informed on the matter and with those who are in decision making positions. You agree with a xenophobic snake oil salesman and a dictator.

Ah the old xenophobia line. How are your skinny jeans fitting today?
 
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