Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

[Dave M]

When did Xenophobia come into it? Or is this another default insult against anyone who doesn't like favouring EU citizens over everyone else?

I'd rather treat everyone equally? As for my friends, they had limited duration visas and I'm not privy to the details as to why they couldn't extend. This was about 4 years ago. Sorry.

You have said skilled people we need for our economy are refused work here, who the country would benefit from? It is xenophobia to drive them away, what other reason do we have? What good did it do the country to refuse them leave to remain?

Tell me why EU citizens effect this beyond targets set with no regard to our needs but only for headlines.

 

[Dave M]

The UK is a member of the EU and you say that other states have a better quality of life. So why are we in the EU again?

After 30 years we are getting there, I'm from the north and 30 years ago not one person in our street had a car, you cannot tell me we have not benefited in that time.

Sovereignty is massively important for our national security, which implicitly affects our quality of life.

How? We are not in schengen, we check every passport coming in - our security is our business and if we're **** at it that's our fault.

Telecoms and energy sectors are heavily privatised, so of course agreements are difficult in those areas.

That is the entire point of the single market, why can't I get car insurance from austria, or take my gas supplier from germany and my broadband from denmark? Because the single market in services has failed to happen, it's on the way completely separate of camerons spasm but not a single one of these so called 're-negotiations' mentioned it, made any demands or required any timescales for it. These would benefit the uk gdp if we are as good at services as we say, or if not benefit our pocket as we'd get cheaper services.

*That* is the big disgrace in all this, not bulgarian builders or polish plumbers, you've all been taken in.

I'm sure many member states would be easily enticed with a lower defence spending budget. It won't be a wholesale swap but will eventually make it economically unviable to have dedicated forces.

No-one but us and france wants armed forces in europe and they will never combine forces with us, you're nuts to think any common force will happen under the current treaties - if we get one we will be a federal europe like america, which is to say states have *more* power, the center has *less* and democracy is more central to every decision.

 

[Dave M]

"Most"...source?

google "quality of life index", I don't even need to.

The ability to 100% affect your own laws, regulations, borders and customs, the latter question depends on where you live and the housing or job situation there.

That is false, so long as you're a member of any international organisation including wto or the un you follow other peoples rules, and in any case show me one single case where your life would be improved by removing one single EU enforced UK law.

An EU army isn't dependent on nukes. An ever closer military policy is more likely than not however.

You just made that up.

 

[scorza]

How much tax do we lift from eea migrants?
Serious question, as i have absolutely no idea.

On an annual basis or over their lifetime?

 

[Roar87]

?????? Seriously

How are these two concerns related?

Tell me, why your government have to decline visa applications for ANY non EU citizen? If they are as worthy as you describe, tell me why they could not stay - this was entirely at the whim of your uk government, not the EU.

Xenophobia is irrational and hurts all people.

They're related because without the huge numbers of EU migrants the government could be more relaxed about migrants from outside the EU. If they're trying to hit an immigration target and they can't control EU immigration then they're going to be very strict on everyone else

 

[deuse]

That is false, so long as you're a member of any international organisation including wto or the un you follow other peoples rules, and in any case show me one single case where your life would be improved by removing one single EU enforced UK law.

Just one. We can make trade deals outside of the EU once we're out

And if you live\from the mining area up north and you don't know why they didn't have cars
you should look up your history or talk to a few old folk.

 

[Insanties_birth]

?????? Seriously

How are these two concerns related?

Tell me, why your government have to decline visa applications for ANY non EU citizen? If they are as worthy as you describe, tell me why they could not stay - this was entirely at the whim of your uk government, not the EU.

Xenophobia is irrational and hurts all people.

Wouldn't that be something to do with managing migration? They don't have to but under current EU rules with freedom of movement it's a rock and a hard place when it comes to managing the numbers. It might not change if we leave the EU or it might change for the better if the EU breaks and shatters (here's hoping).

Where was the xenophobia in his comment

 

[scorza]

google "quality of life index", I don't even need to.

As I said earlier though, the UK is a place where the culture is very much that of 'work hard and get on'. Other places may have a higher quality of life but how sustainable is it? Greeks had an amazing quality of life when they were handing out generous state pensions at age 55 to people working in physically demanding jobs such as ... hairdressing.

That is false, so long as you're a member of any international organisation including wto or the un you follow other peoples rules, and in any case show me one single case where your life would be improved by removing one single EU enforced UK law.

As a sovereign nation you can choose to sign up to those rules or not e.g. the USA and Russia didn't sign up to the UN convention on land mines (let's be honest, most nations ignore UN and WTO rules anyway). In the future it'll be the EU picking which rules we have to obey, not us.

You just made that up.

Which bit? An EU army is coming that's for sure - http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary

After 30 years we are getting there, I'm from the north and 30 years ago not one person in our street had a car, you cannot tell me we have not benefited in that time.

And you attribute that solely to the EU?

How? We are not in schengen, we check every passport coming in - our security is our business and if we're **** at it that's our fault.

We're not in Schengen because we're a sovereign nation who decided not to be in Schengen. In the future that will change and the EU will control 100% of our borders - they already control an awful lot of it.

That is the entire point of the single market, why can't I get car insurance from austria, or take my gas supplier from germany and my broadband from denmark? Because the single market in services has failed to happen, it's on the way completely separate of camerons spasm but not a single one of these so called 're-negotiations' mentioned it, made any demands or required any timescales for it. These would benefit the uk gdp if we are as good at services as we say, or if not benefit our pocket as we'd get cheaper services.

Funny that isn't it? When a single market would be of advantage to British companies it doesn't happen. We've had to allow our service companies get bought by French nationalised industries, but when it comes to say, Scottish Power wanting to sell energy to France they aren't allowed to. At this rate we won't have any service companies left by the time they do introduce the single market for services.

No-one but us and france wants armed forces in europe and they will never combine forces with us, you're nuts to think any common force will happen under the current treaties - if we get one we will be a federal europe like america, which is to say states have *more* power, the center has *less* and democracy is more central to every decision.

That's where the EU is headed, see the above link on the EU army - make no mistake TPTB want it to happen. The states in the USA do not have more power than an independent sovereign nation.

 

[John40]

2 thoughts rattling around in my head after reading recent threads/posts...

1) Given we all know how much old people like to vote, how do the remain campaign convince them to stay in given casual racism is one of their favourite hobbies?

2) What do mumsnet think?

Saying all old people are racist is not very clever is it, immature yes.

 

[marc2003]

I'll be honest, all my exposure to older people in recent years have been from the lower echelons of society. I suppose it's a bit naughty to think all old people are like that.

 

[Btone]

i wonder if we do leave the EU will there be calls to go back to imperial measurements, weights and money as they are the British way of things ?

 

[Mr Jack]

google "quality of life index", I don't even need to.

Perhaps you should

 

[Mr Jack]

This is what I fear, countries like switzerland are becoming so backwards in how they view things that they no longer even acknowledge when there is problems.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/48g8uq/sweden_accuses_daily_mail_of_running_antirefugee/

Your link is about Sweden but your text talks about Switzerland. You do know these are different countries, right?

(Also they're bang on about the Daily Mail. Does anyone really think the Daily Mail isn't anti-migrant?)

 

[estebanrey]

google "quality of life index", I don't even need to.

OK then...

http://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

Look whose number 1? European, but non-EU, Switzerland. Norway above us too.

The UK are currently 14th and only 8 out of the 28 EU countries are ranked above us (Denmark, Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Finland, Portugal).

So the claim that "most eu states have a better quality of life than the uk" is rubbish, agree?

That is false, so long as you're a member of any international organisation including wto or the un you follow other peoples rules

Difference being you choose to follow and can easily opt of of rules with those organisations. Do you really think being a member of the UN is comparable with being in the EU?

...and in any case show me one single case where your life would be improved by removing one single EU enforced UK law.

I could buy duty free when I go to Spain again.

You just made that up.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/612710/European-leaders-EU-ARMY-close-to-reality-Juncker

 

[estebanrey]

i wonder if we do leave the EU will there be calls to go back to imperial measurements, weights and money as they are the British way of things ?

No because none of those things have anything to do with the EU.

Decimalization happened 2 years before we joined the EEC for example.

 

[Cool Breeze]

Out! and we also need a PM that has the balls to get things done and not pander to the EU and stand up for whats best for the UK.

In you come Boris, there is a very Churchill charm to your person.

Germany has yet again created a Fortress Europe directly or indirectly and I want no part of it.

 

[Insanties_birth]

Your link is about Sweden but your text talks about Switzerland. You do know these are different countries, right?

(Also they're bang on about the Daily Mail. Does anyone really think the Daily Mail isn't anti-migrant?)

my mistake, sweden it is then. You're acting awfully childish about a simple mistake

Whereas I believe they are anti-migrant and that is a fair comment there is also the problem of a country itself trying to dip into english media to pretend it's all roses and sunshine even when there's problems of violence / rape as seen in the comments. I simply feel it seems a bit childish for them to weigh in, surely cameron or some other liberal people can weigh in but when the daily mail simply posts news stories that other liberal pieces won't push out just because they have there own agenda then it is hypocritical of these type of countries. Either way it was just a general post but the point is there is issues at the moment with migration and I don't feel sweden trying to play the victim and targeting certain papers will really expel many fears.

 

[Mr Jack]

Whereas I believe they are anti-migrant and that is a fair comment there is also the problem of a country itself trying to dip into english media to pretend it's all roses and sunshine even when there's problems of violence / rape as seen in the comments.

Sweden has no higher rates of rape than other European countries when you look at comparisons that are internationally valid. It has lower general crimes rates than most of Europe and, in particular, the UK. Most of the anti-Sweden stuff thrown about by the right wing media is based on misreadings of articles that exist only in Swedish and thus are conveniently hard to challenge. The 55 "no go areas" myth thrown around is a case in point.

 

[deuse]

No because none of those things have anything to do with the EU.

Decimalization happened 2 years before we joined the EEC for example.

Wasn't that when it was called the common market? but now we see why they did it, to integrate us ready for the EU

 

[Burnsy2023]

Wasn't that when it was called the common market? but now we see why they did it, to integrate us ready for the EU

Put the tin foil away.