Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

[Efour]

Out! and we also need a PM that has the balls to get things done and not pander to the EU and stand up for whats best for the UK.

In you come Boris, there is a very Churchill charm to your person.

Germany has yet again created a Fortress Europe directly or indirectly and I want no part of it.

Is this a joke post or what i read it ironically and seriously i am none the wiser.

DIG FOR VICTORY !

 

[deuse]

Put the tin foil away.

Why haven't you answered what I asked pages ago? go back and read or leave the thread.

And the UK copied the French and took up decimalisation.

 

[kaktus]

out and away from eurotrash leeches as quickly as possible. Utterly disgusted with the 'ever closer union'

 

[antijoke]

The more I see of all the troubles in the EU with migrants etc the more I think we are just best of out of it, and I can see it being the perfect storm for the UK public to vote out as well.

 

[deuse]

"The 19-mile barbed wire fence built on Macedonia's border to stop a human tide of migrants as Greece is told it faces being 'sacrificed' to save the EU"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Mediterranean-year-total-six-months-2015.html

Looking at the pictures there's fences both sides of the boarder?. And the first picture

 

[Uther]

The more I see of all the troubles in the EU with migrants etc the more I think we are just best of out of it, and I can see it being the perfect storm for the UK public to vote out as well.

Seeing several thousand migrants on the move like a swarm of locusts as the weather warms up will, rightly or wrongly, certainly help the out campaign.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Why haven't you answered what I asked pages ago? go back and read or leave the thread.

And the UK copied the French and took up decimalisation.

I haven't continued that because it's clear that despite my attempts to explain it to you, you still completely miss the point. Alas you don't get to decide who posts in this thread.

There are lots of very good reasons to decimalise other than integration with other EU states. Conflating the issues doesn't help.

 

[deuse]

I haven't continued that because it's clear that despite my attempts to explain it to you, you still completely miss the point. Alas you don't get to decide who posts in this thread.

Lets ask you again(sorry folks)

Originally Posted by Burnsy2023 View Post
These laws aren't made by faceless people, they are voted by the European Parliament, who we send MEPs to. Well, unless you voted for a UKIP MEP who don't engage or often even attend the European Parliament. If you want to have a say in EU law, stop voting for people who don't turn up.

The Germans have huge power in Europe because they engage with Europe. Standing on the sidelines is why our voice is not as loud as the second largest economy in Europe should be.

My come back was

Since records began in 1996, the UK has not managed to prevent a single proposal placed in front of the Council of Ministers from becoming European law. This amounts to 55 measures that the UK opposed that have since become British law. Since 1973 the UK’s voting power in the Council of Ministers has decreased from 17% to 8%, in the European Parliament it has decreased from 20% to 9.5% and in the European Commission it has decreased from 15% to 4%. The UK has about 12% of the EU's population, it provides only 5% of the EU's staff and the situation is set to get worse. More than four in 10 British officials will be enjoying their retirement by 2020 and, based on the number of applicants in recent years, most of them will not be replaced (junior roles have only a 1.2% UK entrance rate). Over the last European Parliamentary term (2009-14),a majority of British MEPs(across UK party lines) opposed 576 motions out of a total 1,936 that were put before the European Parliament .Of those 576 motions, 485 were nonetheless approved by the rest of the Parliament despite the opposition of a majority of British MEPs. This is a failure rate of 84%. This rises to 89% in Economic & Monetary affairs & 98% loss in Budget votes. We are the 2nd worst represented in the EU parliament after France with 839,194 inhabitants per MEP (Lux 76,667 per MEP, Ireland 350,750, Italy 816,000). There is no "British Influence".

Twice I posted the facts and twice you wouldn't answer.

There are lots of very good reasons to decimalise other than integration with other EU states. Conflating the issues doesn't help.

Lots to confirm your agenda but none fact.

 

[Mr Jack]

Lots to confirm your agenda but none fact.

Are you seriously arguing that pounds, shilling and pence is a better system than a decimalised currency?

 

[Burnsy2023]

Lets ask you again(sorry folks)



My come back was



Twice I posted the facts and twice you wouldn't answer.



Lots to confirm your agenda but none fact.

*Sigh*

Lets try this one more time then. You've cited that our influence is declining. Yes, this is obvious because we're not invested in the EU. This is our doing.

We haven't displayed the leadership necessary to carry favour and decide policy. The UK has been the figurative child having a tantrum in the corner and saying the don't want to join the party, yet is sad when nobody wants to talk to them. It's petulant.

If we did decide that we want to be an active member of the EU, those stats would be different.

 

[deuse]

*Sigh*

Lets try this one more time then. You've cited that our influence is declining. Yes, this is obvious because we're not invested in the EU. This is our doing.

We haven't displayed the leadership necessary to carry favour and decide policy. The UK has been the figurative child having a tantrum in the corner and saying the don't want to join the party, yet is sad when nobody wants to talk to them. It's petulant.

If we did decide that we want to be an active member of the EU, those stats would be different.

Don't you get it yet!? the EU doesn't work that way. Read what I put for the love of pixxie
We have never had a say in the EU and never will. The facts are there to see.
But for some reason you can't see it. Even thatcher said we should leave when we signed the maastricht treaty.

Over the last European Parliamentary term (2009-14),a majority of British MEPs(across UK party lines) opposed 576 motions out of a total 1,936 that were put before the European Parliament .Of those 576 motions, 485 were nonetheless approved by the rest of the Parliament despite the opposition of a majority of British MEPs.

the only way for the UK to get a bigger say is to invade a few countries.

 

[413x]

If we are adversely affected by migrant crisis further than we are now, it will only provid fuel for the out campaign

For those wanting out, this really is the absolute best time to have this vote
If eu try to push us more on this issue it's only going to help outers

I know this forum is in no way representative of UK but more swing to out it seems

 

[Mr Jack]

The UK is on the winning side in EU votes in over 85% of cases. That figure was higher prior to 2009. Anyone want to guess what effect Cameron's ineptitude in Europe has had?

 

[Mr Jack]

the only way for the UK to get a bigger say is to invade a few countries.

When we vote to send poo-flinging monkeys from UKIP to the European Parliament, and Cameron pulls the Tories out of the influential EPP to sit in the corner with racists and homophobes, this is what happens. The way to get more influence is to engage with Europe.

Why do you ignore what happened in the other 1400 votes as well? Surely, positive voting is as important as negative?

 

[Skunkworks]

Seeing several thousand migrants on the move like a swarm of locusts as the weather warms up will, rightly or wrongly, certainly help the out campaign.

It's a shame most won’t get a chance to make an informed decision on this aspect as the accompanying crime wave is being suppressed. It’s practically subverting democracy.

 

[Outcast]

"The 19-mile barbed wire fence built on Macedonia's border to stop a human tide of migrants as Greece is told it faces being 'sacrificed' to save the EU"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Mediterranean-year-total-six-months-2015.html

Looking at the pictures there's fences both sides of the boarder?. And the first picture

Cue Steve McQueen

 

[platypus]

Are you seriously arguing that pounds, shilling and pence is a better system than a decimalised currency?

Well with his views, he certainly is stuck in the 70s...

 

[Burnsy2023]

We have never had a say in the EU and never will. The facts are there to see.

Those facts do not predict the future nor do they prove what may of happened if we took another approach.

 

[Dave M]

So the claim that "most eu states have a better quality of life than the uk" is rubbish, agree?

As from my reply do Dowie last night:

various international quality of life indexes put us not only below northern europe and western europe in most areas but below southern europe on many (well, it is warmer) and below eastern europe in some..

Both sides of the argument can clarify and/or qualify their position

 

[Insanties_birth]

Sweden has no higher rates of rape than other European countries when you look at comparisons that are internationally valid. It has lower general crimes rates than most of Europe and, in particular, the UK. Most of the anti-Sweden stuff thrown about by the right wing media is based on misreadings of articles that exist only in Swedish and thus are conveniently hard to challenge. The 55 "no go areas" myth thrown around is a case in point.

'internationally valid', I'm sure there's some cover up / under reporting of statistics there. Wonder if we counted all the children / rapes in rotherham / sheffield on our statistics for the year as backward revised stats. Not to mention it's been a more recent issue so I'm not even saying all migrants are bad or implicating migrants as evil but it has become a recent issue. Plenty of crimes go un reported or not recorded properly so I'm doubting they really have a handle on the current situation to be honest or we'd have never even seen issues like we have in the UK already.

Also like when the EU tried to pretend it wasn't migrants who caused the cologne sex attacks. They'll try if they can to fiddle the numbers or mislead you too so it's not just 'far right'. And when you can see plenty of videos online like 'resident of calais' then there's definitely still a difference between far right and reality but also from accepted under reporting of issues from liberal sides as well. It's not as bad as the far right make it but it's not a none issue like the other side of the media portrays. Just because you swallow the blue propaganda pill doesn't mean the red pointing out real events is somehow malicious lies. It can be over sensational but just go to youtube and see those vids of the resident of calais, german mayors refusing to address migrant crimes, jude law and the camera people of '60 minutes' getting mugged. It's pretty much lawless in the migrant camps so to pretend just because there's not 55 no go areas there is no issues is a bit weird.