Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

[Crpwned]

Please provide proof that those rate are still around for that job.

Just a quick google search but there's this one from the beginning of Feb - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/tesco-workers-pay-hike-sunday-10826137

States that they get double pay on Sundays and bank holidays but will be dropping down to time and half in July.
It mentions 'special payment' for night workers but doesn't specify what that is so unsure on that one.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Please provide proof that those rate are still around for that job.

Firstly your proof was not in the article but the comment section, that premium pay has been abandoned. As for pay rates for Tesco, they are widely available online:

Link to average pay rates: https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Hourly-Pay/Tesco-Hourly-Pay-E10250.htm

Pay rates from 2014 handbook:

The pay hits they discuss recently is because some workers are still on double time from pre 2000 and will receive 1.5 instead to make it fair as all other workers receive that. As for night premiums, they are just moving the hours not removing them. The article also mentions considerable hike of pay for younger workers. Considering my link to pay shows averages and it is adjusted by living cost zone, you will find that even a lowly shelf stacker earns a fair amount compared to before.

There really shouldn't even be Sunday premiums. It was introduced before to encourage people to work Sundays when Sunday work was not as common but you will find that people really don't care what day of the week it is now and will clamber to get a Sunday slot for that extra pay. Why offer outdated incentives if they dont need to?

 

[cainer]

Don't forget vat.

whats VAT got to do with employees pay?

 

[Cosimo]

So what do supermarket pay rates have to do with Brexit?

 

[Avenged7Fold]

So what do supermarket pay rates have to do with Brexit?

Nothing, its in the minds of the disgruntled

whats VAT got to do with employees pay?

lol, let him keep going. So far has linked a comment section of an article for proof and has compared his double pay rate of the 90s to single pay rate of today.

 

[Danthus]

Why is there an expectation that this work should pay vast sums of money anyway?

I don't personally.

 

[Mr Jack]

Why is there an expectation that this work should pay vast sums of money anyway?

Any job, worked full time, should pay enough to provide a reasonable quality of life. The alternative is the perpetual existence of workers who, despite their hard work, are unable to maintain a reasonable quality of life.

Other countries manage this. We should too.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Why is there an expectation that this work should pay vast sums of money anyway?

To be fair, it gets paid a fair amount for what it is. These are jobs 16-18 year olds should get part time not the bread provider of a family. Though there are some older people who work in these places, they are normally part time supplementing their partners income while keeping hours flexible enough to manage the kids.

There were also a handful of people who did manage to live using this wage.

The problem isn't that companies pay a wage that is too low but expenses such as rent are too high. Tackle housing and rent issue and the rest falls into place a little better. The housing issue is more significantly affected by buytolet culture that boomed since the 90s more than immigration.

 

[deuse]

So your source is the comment section of an article?

How come i received 1.5 x pay for Sundays and bank holidays, triple pay for major holidays and unsociable hours work premiums in Tesco?

I know for a fact that these rates are still there because i kept in touch with the mates I met there.

Citation needed(mates don't count)

 

[deuse]

So what do supermarket pay rates have to do with Brexit?

It's burnsey again

 

[estebanrey]

End of the British Army? EU plots ‘scandalous’ military merger if UK votes to stay in

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Citation needed(mates don't count)

Did their own employee handbook not count?

Spoiler

Firstly your proof was not in the article but the comment section, that premium pay has been abandoned. As for pay rates for Tesco, they are widely available online:

Link to average pay rates: https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Hourly-Pay/Tesco-Hourly-Pay-E10250.htm

Pay rates from 2014 handbook:

The pay hits they discuss recently is because some workers are still on double time from pre 2000 and will receive 1.5 instead to make it fair as all other workers receive that. As for night premiums, they are just moving the hours not removing them. The article also mentions considerable hike of pay for younger workers. Considering my link to pay shows averages and it is adjusted by living cost zone, you will find that even a lowly shelf stacker earns a fair amount compared to before.

There really shouldn't even be Sunday premiums. It was introduced before to encourage people to work Sundays when Sunday work was not as common but you will find that people really don't care what day of the week it is now and will clamber to get a Sunday slot for that extra pay. Why offer outdated incentives if they dont need to?

 

[Burnsy2023]

End of the British Army? EU plots ‘scandalous’ military merger if UK votes to stay in

Sorry, who was complaining about scaremongering?

More military cooperation makes as lot of sense, the idea of subsuming individual armed forces is fanciful.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

^

This

Also, i would trust the EUs military decisions over ours hands down if it really was true.

The article is full of 'could's and 'should's with the only fact that the EU is considering more military co-operation. There are no details on it and the opening line says that this is revealed exclusivity by 'express.co.uk', this is simply because they have exclusively made up fairy tales to go along with the only fact.

 

[Danthus]

Sorry, who was complaining about scaremongering?

More military cooperation makes as lot of sense, the idea of subsuming individual armed forces is fanciful.

Would you agree with EU using British troops being if it was against out national interest?

 

[Burnsy2023]

Would you agree with EU using British troops being if it was against out national interest?

I think that any offensive military action would need to be agreed by all member states before going ahead, or at least by all the member states taking part and dedicating assets on a case by case basis.

 

[Cosimo]

End of the British Army? EU plots ‘scandalous’ military merger if UK votes to stay in

So this is just a report and by the looks of it the Express is just scaremongering?

 

[scorza]

So this is just a report and by the looks of it the Express is just scaremongering?

We all know it's coming - Juncker has stated as much. Wonder where that would leave places like the Falkland Islands if we had to get the permission of all 28 member states before we could take military action against a hostile invading force?

 

[Burnsy2023]

We all know it's coming - Juncker has stated as much. Wonder where that would leave places like the Falkland Islands if we had to get the permission of all 28 member states before we could take military action against a hostile invading force?

Citation for Junker's comments?

I don't think any member state would need permission to defend it's own sovereign territory against invasion. To have otherwise would be silly.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Would you agree with EU using British troops being if it was against out national interest?

Not if it coincided with my personal interest.

What is to say what our government dictate as national interest is in the interest of the citizens?

History certainly proves that it can go either way.