Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 400 43.3%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 523 56.7%

  • Total voters
    923
  • Poll closed .
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I really don't trust our mp's to do a better job. They seem to look after their own as much as EU mp's do. Hi speed rail vs NHS investment for example.
I also can't see non EU countries wanting to trade with us without some benefit like a way into Europe.
I suspect pretty much all of our recent success has more to do with being in Europe rather than being British.
If we exit and Scotland with Wakes decide to rejoin the EU, then what.
I say we should stand up for ourselves in the EU, standing alone just seems so much like an ostrich sticking it's head in the ground.
Europe as a whole is so much more effective, even the US wold prefer to deal with us as part of the EU.
Andi.
 
But not something that can't just be overturned later(?) That's my understanding, but I could be wrong. Hope I am.
Basically this deal we have, isn't written the paper it's written on (assuming it's written somewhere)

The ECJ would rule on this, whilst it's not a treaty which is usually what guides decisions, they would take this agreement into consideration when ruling.

So not a treaty, but does have weight.
 
no he didn't.

he got a "we will look at it later and see if we agree with it then"

No, he basically got an agreement in principle - which is still an agreement. If the wording went straight into treating without edit, then it's reasonably easy to do that if the opportunity for treat change negotiations occurred.
 
No, he basically got an agreement in principle - which is still an agreement. If the wording went straight into treating without edit, then it's reasonably easy to do that if the opportunity for treat change negotiations occurred.

nope it needs to be voted on, something Greece recently said it would vote against if the other EU countries didn't do as it asked with regards to the migrants.

it is no different to any bill going before vote in parliament the face its written is worthless, it can be voted down.
 
I really don't trust our mp's to do a better job. They seem to look after their own as much as EU mp's do. Hi speed rail vs NHS investment for example.
I also can't see non EU countries wanting to trade with us without some benefit like a way into Europe.
I suspect pretty much all of our recent success has more to do with being in Europe rather than being British.
If we exit and Scotland with Wakes decide to rejoin the EU, then what.
I say we should stand up for ourselves in the EU, standing alone just seems so much like an ostrich sticking it's head in the ground.
Europe as a whole is so much more effective, even the US wold prefer to deal with us as part of the EU.
Andi.

1. We vote our MPs', we don't vote for all of the MEPs'. That allows us to hold them accountable in a general election for their decisions, we can't do that if MEPs from other countries make decisions we disagree with.
2. We're a top 10 Global economy, people will always want to trade with us.
3 It has to do with us being a large economy and making sensible choices
4. Scotland and Wales are part of the United Kingdom, it's not them and us.
5. We do stand up for ourselves, we're just largely ignored as the EU seems to mostly about Germany and France running the rest of the Europe and using our money in the process
6. Sure the US will say they'd prefer us as part of the EU, but go ask the US to join a Political union and allow other countries to decide their laws, they'd laugh in your face
 
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Firstly your proof was not in the article but the comment section, that premium pay has been abandoned. As for pay rates for Tesco, they are widely available online:

Link to average pay rates: https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Hourly-Pay/Tesco-Hourly-Pay-E10250.htm

Pay rates from 2014 handbook:

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The pay hits they discuss recently is because some workers are still on double time from pre 2000 and will receive 1.5 instead to make it fair as all other workers receive that. As for night premiums, they are just moving the hours not removing them. The article also mentions considerable hike of pay for younger workers. Considering my link to pay shows averages and it is adjusted by living cost zone, you will find that even a lowly shelf stacker earns a fair amount compared to before.

There really shouldn't even be Sunday premiums. It was introduced before to encourage people to work Sundays when Sunday work was not as common but you will find that people really don't care what day of the week it is now and will clamber to get a Sunday slot for that extra pay. Why offer outdated incentives if they dont need to?

So they are not on double time, they on time and a half how is that the same as double time? and 2005 no extra pay for extra hours... is this not a pay cut?
"will receive 1.5 instead to make it fair as all other workers receive that" haha that's complete tosh going by that why should some workers get paid less than others, that isn't fair and by your response everyone should be paid the same as that fair.

You say people didn't care about about Sunday premiums and people don't care what day a week they work, where is your evidence to back this up.
you can say all you like the down grade to time and a half and not offering Sunday premium is not because it wasn't fare its because corporation could, as they started to have a large amount of workers from Europe.

You sound like class of Brit that believes everything the government and corporations say, Europe Union was build for corporations mask as a people Europe, it was build to make the rich richer and to have a vast amount of cheap workers.
They make you think the deficit was because of the citizens and banking crisis was result of the poor, 3/4 of our deficit has been racked up by the rich so the poor can pay for it, you ever heard of socialise your loses privatise profits, Lemon socialism.

The information link clearly shows you what been happening since 2001 erosion of pay.
and CPi and RPI x have fallen behind the weight in the baskets have been altered so have the types of goods, it cant be trusted.
 
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1. We vote our MPs', we don't vote for all of the MEPs'. That allows us to hold them accountable in a general election for their decisions, we can't do that if MEPs from other countries make decisions we disagree with.
2. We're a top 10 Global economy, people will always want to trade with us.
3 It has to do with us being a large economy and making sensible choices
4. Scotland and Wales are part of the United Kingdom, it's not them and us.
5. We do stand up for ourselves, we're just largely ignored as the EU seems to mostly about Germany and France running the rest of the Europe and using our money in the process
6. Sure the US will say they'd prefer us as part of the EU, but go ask the US to join a Political union and allow other countries to decide their laws, they'd laugh in your face

We don't vote for all our MP's. I have zero say in anyone but my constituency.

We are large economy yes, but much of that is thanks to the EU membership. We'd do OK without, but better with.

See above.

Scotland wants to stay in. We can't ignore that. ( and won't, they get a vote, obviously)

EU needs reform, I agree. But we can't do that from the outside.

US, I think, is a touch bigger than the UK (don't quote me, can't be bothered buying a trundle wheel). But even they are arrangements with its neighbours that influence policy.
 
If we vote to stay in, why would the EU want to reform itself? It will just laugh as it blocks anything Cameron tried to get.
 
If we vote to stay in, why would the EU want to reform itself? It will just laugh as it blocks anything Cameron tried to get.

You seem to think the EUs some sort of sentient entity. It's a political union.

Our biggest issue is we seem (to the other members) to want special treatment. We opt out of some of its basic principles, then complain when we feel sidelined on decisions.
 
You seem to think the EUs some sort of sentient entity. It's a political union.

Our biggest issue is we seem (to the other members) to want special treatment. We opt out of some of its basic principles, then complain when we feel sidelined on decisions.

Exactly. If we are in, we should be completely in, and that means the Euro as well. You can't just try to pick the bits you like.
 
Did their own employee handbook not count?


Thanks. It shows they are not on double time now.


Looks like the EU may go to pot very soon.

"Growth among the Eurozone’s 19 member states was just 0.3 per cent in the last three months of 2015, and its GDP is still lagging below the pre-crisis peak – unlike in the UK and US"

"Rising unemployment, falling asset prices and mounting debt costs could “radicalise” electorates across the continent, the report says, leading to countries either rejecting the currency or refusing to bail out troubled neighbours"

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...pse-in-next-major-recession-swiss-bank-warns/
 
this is the guy that says we should stay in Europe but look at what he does, you really believe.

Two (now former) UKIP MEPs have been sent to prison for fraud. Another was kicked out of the party for fiddling her expenses.

There's dodgy people on both sides of the debate.
 
It was an agreement by stores or any other company if they wanted late night workers they would need to pay for unsociable hours, eu directive changed that by suggesting the only over time could be paid time extra.

So they are not on double time, they on time and a half how is that the same as double time?

Thanks. It shows they are not on double time now.

The point wasn't that they no longer get double time but now time and a half, it was that pinkpill stated an eu directive said a company couldn't pay unsocial hour bonus only overtime (because the eu has got it in for the workers....yea!)....which was called out to be rubbish anti-eu rhetoric and proved to be only real in the mind of the imaginer.
 
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1. We vote our MPs', we don't vote for all of the MEPs'. That allows us to hold them accountable in a general election for their decisions, we can't do that if MEPs from other countries make decisions we disagree with.

We vote in our MEPs too. This whole fudge to attempt to portray PR as less democratic won't work.
Will you claim that Scottish MSPs aren't as representative as MPs too? Please.

You know who's on the party list, and you know who ends up representing the region afterwards.
In fact you have more than one ear and political affiliation to take advantage of, if anything, better representing the vote and hence political opinion in the region.

Under FPTP, the majority, or significant minority, depending on how safe the seat is, of the constituency is very likely to end up losers. The big party figures under either system have a high survival rate.

2. We're a top 10 Global economy, people will always want to trade with us.

That's neither here nor there, and makes four assumptions:
-An almost painless Brexit
-Developed economies cannot drop rapidly on a set of political decisions
-The UK remaining an attractive market outside of the EU; with a potential swathe of regulation and issues re its post-Brexit common market access, depending on whose vision we are implementing upon an Out vote, to take care of
-The full EU common market access has little to do with our growth

Big relative to whom? How competitive, and in what? The Leave are lacking on these key details. They can't even agree on the course of our post-Brexit re-alignment.

3 It has to do with us being a large economy and making sensible choices

And what credible source backs this picture up? What are those sensible choices? How did we get so 'large'? There are very selective appeals to history floating about.

4. Scotland and Wales are part of the United Kingdom, it's not them and us.
We will be risking their EU funding, so, yes, if England pulls the blanket, and doesn't replace it -- it is us vs them. The SNP would love that particularly, since it plays well into their Westminster-dominated Union narrative; and the key arguments we used to keep them from departing are indeed overlapping with the Remain camp's arguments this time around.

5. We do stand up for ourselves, we're just largely ignored as the EU seems to mostly about Germany and France running the rest of the Europe and using our money in the process
And whose decision it was to play all sides for as long as possible? Who sent useless parties to Brussels? Is the EU to blame for our major stances on key issues? We got plenty out of Europe by being a rather stroppy neighbour; we can do much more by emulating the German and French examples, whilst not retreating on our defence of the common market principles being of higher priority to any political integration projects.
6. Sure the US will say they'd prefer us as part of the EU, but go ask the US to join a Political union and allow other countries to decide their laws, they'd laugh in your face

Both the USA and Germany are federations, for starters, so, no, the precedented of supra-state law isn't new to them. The USA is also party to large bodies of international law, from human rights to climate protocols. And they would refute that international cooperation is equivalent to this bizarre 'foreign rule' vision Outers are fond of. People sign up to international treaties, including EU treaties, for mutual benefit. No legislation or directive is perfect, of course, but it's a significantly saner, humane and economically sound way of resolving conflicts than war; preventing which, in the first place, was why we have begun on this whole journey into the common market and then the EU.

Furthermore, the US stance has nothing to do with the political side of things; first and foremost, they are cautioning against a potentially significant economic shock of the UK's departure from the EU; and warning against the strategic side of our NATO/EU cooperation being weakened by such a big transition.

When you are fumbling about with short-term interests, you aren't looking at what's going on abroad or in your backyard, and it's right of our core ally to point out their view of the situation to us; if they feel their insight can highlight our strengths and caution us from shedding them needlessly.
 
Looks like the EU may go to pot very soon.

I wonder how long you've been saying this :p

Growth among the Eurozone’s 19 member states was just 0.3 per cent in the last three months of 2015, and its GDP is still lagging below the pre-crisis peak – unlike in the UK and US"

"Rising unemployment, falling asset prices and mounting debt costs could “radicalise” electorates across the continent, the report says, leading to countries either rejecting the currency or refusing to bail out troubled neighbours"

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...pse-in-next-major-recession-swiss-bank-warns/

I'm the same, whenever I want sound, impartial financial news I go to breitbart as well, lol

Everyone should be more worried about a Chinese economic meltdown before a European one, that will take us all out :p
 
The point wasn't that they no longer get double time but now time and a half, it was that pinkpill stated an eu directive said a company couldn't pay unsocial hour bonus only overtime (because the eu has got it in for the workers....yea!)....which was called out to be rubbish anti-eu rhetoric and proved to be only real in the mind of the imaginer.

I know the EU\UK didn't like people who worked long hours. They even labelled us. When the WDT came in.

My hours started to drop. Then they got cheap labour to do the over time and that was the end of that.
 
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