So far, I haven't voted in this thread or the other because now, having dismissed Cameron's deal as farcical, I'm waiting, baited breath, for some adult discussion from our leaders. I'm waiting for rational arguments, not Project Fear, and so far, am drifting a little further towards Leave. My decision isn't made, but unless the nature of the debate changes and they put forward reasoned argument over emotive blackmail, I'll vote where my inclination currently is.
The trouble is, I fear you'll be waiting a long while then. There have been plenty of rational arguments both for and against, all ready, they just get lost in the miasma of - yes I hate it too - fear-mongering.
There really is plenty of information out there, you - especially as someone seemingly
wanting to be convinced - just have to look for it. And you won't get a decent/coherent argument on here that doesn't get shot down, so if thats what you're hoping for, please for the sake of an informed vote, don't.
As for this vote, as someone sceptical but convincible, I can't vote, because there isn't an undecided option. If we're going to have monthly poll refreshes, maybe there should be. After all, it looks like two factors are going to be what determines the outcome: voter turnout, and the way the current undecideds decide. The movement in undecideds, month by month in polls, might be interesting.
I think the intention behind the vote in this thread is to reflect the referendum, ie in or out.
You see? As I was writing that someone posts yet more uninformed fallacy:
Every time i see project fear on the tv warning us all about the dangers of leaving the EU the more It makes me want to leave... Do these people really think the general public are that stupid - the the World is going to end and we're all going to be unemployed "Britain can't survive outside eu" Bull****
Project Fear? Cute. Fear-mongering exists on both sides of the debate, and quite frankly both sides are as bad as each other. Next:
The fact is Britain will grow stronger if it leaves the EU... In fact I was go as far to say if we do leave the EU other countries will follow.
No, it isn't
fact. And when asked to prove this, of course he won't be able too.
Will Britain be weaker if it leaves the EU? I doubt it. Will it be stronger? I haven't a clue. To even try and reduce it to that simple a level is disingenuous anyway. The likely outcome is of course that it would be stronger in some ways, and weaker in others. This poster certainly has nothing credible to be banding around as "fact". From
most people on here, you simply won't get a reasoned enough argument.
