Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

[Skunkworks]

When most political leaders, scietists and business leaders say the same thing, it may be wise to listen.

People vote out of self interest, so I have to ask myself whether the self interest of these groups align with my own.

 

[Mulder]

When most political leaders, scietists and business leaders say the same thing, it may be wise to listen.

Funnily enough, when mainstream political leaders and big business recommend one thing, doing the opposite is often your best bet...

 

[MikeTheNative]

100% vote leave, zero doubt in my mind. There are too many reasons to list.

There was a great interview on Newsnight last week with two university lecturers, one arguing we should leave the other we should stay. The guy arguing we should leave had a very strong case and an interesting perspective on exactly what the EU stands for.

There are 'too many reasons' to list. Do you realise how stupid that sounds. There are so many reasons you can't even list one or two.

 

[Mulder]

There are 'too many reasons' to list. Do you realise how stupid that sounds. There are so many reasons you can't even list one or two.

Here are a few....

• Control of our own borders, preventing the ongoing discrimination of non-EU skilled migrants (and allowing us to move to an Australian style system)
• Return of sovereignty to the UK (ending the current supremacy of EU law)
• Higher wages for UK workers (Stuart Rose, head of the stay campaign, is on record saying this will happen if we leave)
• Less regulation/red tape for business (note most small to medium sized businesses want to leave, it's only the big MNC's that want in)
• Security - As per IDS' comments...
• Preventing any threat to the UK's military freedom (the EU wants it own Army, and the ability to use the army on its own people...)
• Having the ability to secure trade deals with the rest of the world (Note Switzerland has just withdrawn its ongoing application to join the EU)
• To get out before Turkey becomes a member
• To prevent the demolition of our fishing industry

There are many others.

Funny how when the UK was debating joining the Euro there was a lot of fear mongering around not joining, how much of a lost opportunity it was etc. Look how that turned out.

The EU is an undemocratic, bureaucratic mess heading for self desruction, the sooner we leave the better.

 

[MikeTheNative]

Must have taken you a good 30 mins to type out all those reasons.

 

[Mulder]

Must have taken you a good 30 mins to type out all those reasons.

About 10 minutes. What's your point?

 

[Outcast]

You forgot the most important.

Security for Women

 

[Mr Jack]

I find it all the more bizarre that the USA wants us in the EU when there's a risk that the British armed forces will be subsumed into Eurocorps and controlled by Brussels.

This is a fantasy of your making. UK troops are not going to subsumed into a European army.

 

[scorza]

This is a fantasy of your making. UK troops are not going to subsumed into a European army.

The President of the European Commission thinks and wants differently.

 

[Mulder]

This is a fantasy of your making. UK troops are not going to subsumed into a European army.

Maybe not. What's interesting however is that the EU wants the ability to deploy its own army at its own will, including into nation states, even if those nation states oppose it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ed-guards-on-borders-against-states-will.html

 

[Mr Jack]

The President of the European Commission thinks and wants differently.

Firstly, this isn't true. Juncker wants to have a European defence force to which member states contribute not a unified European army.

Secondly, Juncker can think and want whatever he damn well pleases, he can't have it unless our parliament votes for vote. What do you think the chances of a UK government voting to place our army under Brussel's control are?

There is nothing to your claim. It's scaremongering, pure and simple.

 

[Skunkworks]

You forgot the most important.

Security for Women

I also don’t fancy the EU having a (bound to be rather porous) border with Syria.

 

[Insanties_birth]

letting turkey into the EU was my major gripe, I was going to vote to stay in the EU due to the economic benefits outweighing the political controls but when the political control gets to this level and keeps going higher and higher then it eventully and increasingly hampers the economic benefits.

I just can't foresee the EU project working in a beneficial way, economically it sounds great but like most areas with huge immigration (as seen with the votes in germany) the people and citizens who end up lumbered with that kind of migration are unhappy. Why would I want to be unhappy in the future? That was a big hit for merkel and obviously you're always going to get some people who stay left wing / pro migration or don't live in those areas so ignore what actually happens but the votes are clear. They received immigration and they showed how unpopular and unwelcome it is. If we stay in the EU and have turkey join it's going to get worse, I wouldn't mind normal immigration but there's wars, religious extremism, islamification etc. going on in the middle east and it doesn't make sense to just chuck problems like that into europe. Until they learn to actually do proper checks and manage the people coming in then the current state of immigration is just a joke. It's a shame the EU is such a mismanaged tragedy, it'd be great if it was ran by people just a little more isolationist opinions (in regards to keeping everyone in EU together but not from the outside as much) but it's just a hot pot of religious tension, illegal immigrants, economic migrants posing as refugees, rape scandals, cover up, handing money to turkey and broken borders. That's just the immigration as well, they're suitably lacking in other areas and I'd have voted to stay in if they was smart enough and quick enough to manage issues but they simply arent. Even when Isis threatened to swarm us with migrants and hide within them they still just let anybody in, you can't even call them smart when they allow this sort of thing to happen but when it's a war torn area with religious extremism that is still going on then they really needed to put 2 and 2 together.

I think the EU works good for trade and I don't mind freedom of movement but there other political side never seems to be aligned with what I feel is right. I'm just going to vote out, millions of others will vote anyway so we'd only leave if they all agreed but the EU is just rewriting the ethnic makeup of every country at the moment, we can't count on the policies we've got from camerons negotiations as they're going to be voted on after the referendum anyway, the failure to handle anything relating to migration (quicker intervention and stopping merkel / stop siding against eu countries that refuse to accept migrants), Turkey joining EU and the increasing amount of policies they are putting in place. I'm just voting out, if after camerons negotiations they managed the crisis better and didn't give signs they were accepting turkey I'd have voted to stay in but at the moment there's little compelling reason to stay. We still have 2 years to renegotiate (and it can be extended) after the EU exit and I understand the financial impact but I feel the EU is another bubble. Another crisis in the making and it's just going to pop and leave a big mess all over again.

 

[John40]

Firstly, this isn't true. Juncker wants to have a European defence force to which member states contribute not a unified European army.

Secondly, Juncker can think and want whatever he damn well pleases, he can't have it unless our parliament votes for vote. What do you think the chances of a UK government voting to place our army under Brussel's control are?

There is nothing to your claim. It's scaremongering, pure and simple.

I'd say the chances of a UK Govt. putting our small army under EU control is virtually guaranteed once we've been bounced into the new "reformed" EU superstate.
Once the referendum is over the EU will have us pure and simple, it will be open season on this country to punish us for putting the EU through a bit of bother.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

They are not an evil superpower that can just implement restrictions to just the UK out of spite. They will apply reforms and restrictions which all countries are subjected to relative to their level of participation.

This idea of a scary big evil end game boss called EU is so ridiculous.

 

[scorza]

Firstly, this isn't true. Juncker wants to have a European defence force to which member states contribute not a unified European army.

Secondly, Juncker can think and want whatever he damn well pleases, he can't have it unless our parliament votes for vote. What do you think the chances of a UK government voting to place our army under Brussel's control are?

There is nothing to your claim. It's scaremongering, pure and simple.

That's not what he actually said though is it? http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-defence-juncker-idUSKBN0M40KL20150308

A joint EU army would show the world that there would never again be a war between EU countries," Juncker told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper. "Such an army would also help us to form common foreign and security policies and allow Europe to take on responsibility in the world.

Juncker is a federalist - his whole raison d'etre is to create a United States of Europe (just like Jeremy Clarkson) and take away sovereignty from. Another quote from him:

Britain is different. Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?

Who would have thought a British Prime Minister would have given up half our rebate for next-to-nothing? This is another reason why I want out - I just don't trust our politicians not to give away more and more sovereignty to the EU. They keep doing this, I don't know why, I can only speculate but now they've actually let the common people have their say and I say we give them a bloody nose.

 

[Mr Jack]

Elections etc. have put out their first prediction for the referendum vote: 58% Remain +/- 14%.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Doesn't trust our politicians, wants to give them more power

 

[twist3d0n3]

Elections etc. have put out their first prediction for the referendum vote: 58% +/- 14%.

lol

 

[The Mad Rapper]

58% for what? Staying or going?