Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 400 43.3%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 523 56.7%

  • Total voters
    923
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Because all the EU funding for science is put to such good use....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35809116

Science relies on research of all types to further understanding. Some will not have obvious applications at the time, but can still have profound impacts. It really frustrates me when politicians say that science research funding should all have clear applications before being funded, because that's not how science works.

With that said, the research you have cited may have applications such in making materials that don't deform when cut - which could be useful in all sorts of domains.
 
Because all the EU funding for science is put to such good use....

Firstly, why do you think this is a bad use of research money? Understanding the behaviour of physical materials seems like a pretty straightforwardly good use of research money to me.

Second, if you're going to whine about EU research money perhaps you should find some research that is EU funded? This one wasn't. From the article:

Acknowledgments

We thank H. Cass and A. Crowe for preliminary experiments, E. Häner for help with image analysis, and D. Pihler-Puzović for measurements of Young’s modulus. B.C. thanks A. M. Klales; P. Hine for preliminary experiments; and V. Vitelli, V. N. Manoharan, and L. Mahadevan for preliminary discussions. We are grateful to a referee for valuable suggestions relating to our numerical solution scheme. This work was supported by an Addison–Wheeler Fellowship (to C.P.) and Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council Grant EP/J007927/1.​

(Emphasis mine). The EPSRC allocates UK research money and the Addison-Wheeler Fellowship is a Durham university fund paid for by a benefactor.

None of this is EU funding.
 
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Because all the EU funding for science is put to such good use....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35809116

So you try and find the most useless research story and post it as proof of bad funding?

No mention of eu funding in there firstly.

Secondly, how much do you think even costs? Next to nothing.

What use is it?

Helps us understand the properties of a variety of materials and create mathematical models for it. Can be applied in any number of ways and not just with ribbons. If anything, this sort of thing is more cost effective in terms of real use application than any of the mars missions going on now.

So do you really think science is not worth funding?

Maybe you should go back to your cave and make sure you stay away from that fire.
 
It's funny how the pro-EU posters one minute claim that scientific research would collapse overnight if we left the EU, then claim that the EU doesn't have anything to do with bits of scientific research they don't like. Any chance you guys could make up your minds please? :confused:
 
It's funny how the pro-EU posters one minute claim that scientific research would collapse overnight if we left the EU, then claim that the EU doesn't have anything to do with bits of scientific research they don't like. Any chance you guys could make up your minds please? :confused:

I suggest you take some of your own advice:

Read what I posted again and come back when you've understood it.
 
It's funny how the pro-EU posters one minute claim that scientific research would collapse overnight if we left the EU, then claim that the EU doesn't have anything to do with bits of scientific research they don't like. Any chance you guys could make up your minds please? :confused:

If people want us to believe EU science funds are wasted, probably best to link a study funded by the EU.
 
Guardian Live debate for anyone interested.
Should the UK remain part of the European Union? Join former deputy prime minister Nick Clegg, head of the Labour Yes campaign Alan Johnson, Conservative MP for South Northamptonshire ​​Andrea Leadsom and leader of the UK Independence Party Nigel Farage in a live debate hosted by the Guardian's incoming political editor Anushka Asthana.

https://youtu.be/0U4Iecc3Xr0?t=21m1s
 
Nige once again kills it.

Too long to watch at this time of night, but I'll hazard a guess Clegg was to the point, factual, but boring and ignored. Johnson blustered about society and jobs, your grandad would have ate it up. And Farage shouted a load of half-truths, made fun of everyone and everything, and everybody loved it?
 
Too long to watch at this time of night, but I'll hazard a guess Clegg was to the point, factual, but boring and ignored. Johnson blustered about society and jobs, your grandad would have ate it up. And Farage shouted a load of half-truths, made fun of everyone and everything, and everybody loved it?


Pretty accurate.
 
It's funny how the pro-EU posters one minute claim that scientific research would collapse overnight if we left the EU, then claim that the EU doesn't have anything to do with bits of scientific research they don't like. Any chance you guys could make up your minds please? :confused:

But the Eu didn't fund that particular research? The uk did.


Also the only person who didnt like it was the anti eu guy, everyone who pointed out it wasnt funded by the eu said it was interesting/
 
But the Eu didn't fund that particular research? The uk did.


Also the only person who didnt like it was the anti eu guy, everyone who pointed out it wasnt funded by the eu said it was interesting/

I don't like it either, it's nugatory research. Maybe if we left the EU we could fund proper, useful science - like finding a cure for cancer.
 
I don't like it either, it's nugatory research. Maybe if we left the EU we could fund proper, useful science - like finding a cure for cancer.

Would a handful of physicists and materials scientists be particuarly useful in that effort?

Cancer research at this point isnt so much a function of money but time.
 
Cancer research at this point isnt so much a function of money but time.

The main problem with cancer research is that we're spending way too much on it. No, really. Firstly, on the simple grounds because we should be sharing the disease research pie more evenly among diseases in a manner that better reflects the actual burden that those diseases have on people and society and, secondly, because application-focused science is almost always inefficient. Many of the big wins in cancer research - as with elsewhere - have come from scientists working on basic biology. We'd better taking some of our huge cancer spend and using it to fund more basic biology.
 
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