Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

[Zethor]

Why do people continue to link the 'refugee' crisis with EU membership?

Why has that story made you decide to 'vote out'?

If you are going to vote out at least vote out for a reason that's actually related to our membership of the EU.

Because they don't bother with rational arguments. They don't like foreigners. Skin colour, religion, language don't matter, as long as they are not 'true brits', they are not welcome.

 

[Mason-]

Because they don't bother with rational arguments. They don't like foreigners. Skin colour, religion, language don't matter, as long as they are not 'true brits', they are not welcome.

:/ Now who's being irrational?

That video had violence in it. Most people don't like violence.

Plus Express links.. really?

It's an express link that is hosting a video. Who cares about the content of the page, I'm pretty sure it's the video that matters, or do you dismiss videos because of where they're hosted? Yawn.

 

[panyan]

I suspect a large percentage of the members are in their late thirties/early forties.

i think there was a poll at some point

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Why do people continue to link the 'refugee' crisis with EU membership?

Why has that story made you decide to 'vote out'?

If you are going to vote out at least vote out for a reason that's actually related to our membership of the EU.

How can you possibly argue that the two things are unrelated? There is free movement within the EU. Refugees who are allowed to settle in the EU will have the right to come here and the EU is trying to get us to take these refugees. It is very much linked.

 

[[TW]Fox]

How can you possibly argue that the two things are unrelated? There is free movement within the EU. Refugees who are allowed to settle in the EU will have the right to come here

We've been over this probably three times in this thread now. Being accepted as a refugee does not give you free movement throughout the EU. Entering as an illegal migrant certainly does not (Though I agree, the effective lack of borders doesn't stop it but there is a border between us and the rest of Europe currently as there will remain so whether we vote to leave or not, so this is not relevant).

Being a citizen does, but as we've gone over multiple times none of these refugees are on the path to citizenship currently and the barriers to do so are such that anyone who eventually does manage - and I'm sure some might - will be sufficiently integrated into society that they'll have no reason to randomly descend upon the UK to roam the streets and offend everyone.

It really isn't too much to ask you to attempt to educate yourself on the facts before banging the drum of opinion on this issue.

There are a number of factual reasons why the UK might be better off outside of the EU. Why not focus on these rather than the tedious 'omg we are going to be overrun with refugees unless we vote out!!!!!'

The EU might well be 'trying to get us to take some' but so far despite being a member of the EU we've not done so. Because we have a choice.

 

[Rosbif]

The worrying thing is the Germans think its fine to unilaterally declare that its ok for all and sundry to turn up at the front door of Europe and then bully states into picking up 'their fair share of the burden'. What kind of Union is this? The 'What Germany wants' Union.

But never mind, back to that old chestnut herpderp dey takin aw jerbs etc.

 

[kitch9]

We've been over this probably three times in this thread now. Being accepted as a refugee does not give you free movement throughout the EU. Entering as an illegal migrant certainly does not (Though I agree, the effective lack of borders doesn't stop it but there is a border between us and the rest of Europe currently as there will remain so whether we vote to leave or not, so this is not relevant).

Being a citizen does, but as we've gone over multiple times none of these refugees are on the path to citizenship currently and the barriers to do so are such that anyone who eventually does manage - and I'm sure some might - will be sufficiently integrated into society that they'll have no reason to randomly descend upon the UK to roam the streets and offend everyone.

It really isn't too much to ask you to attempt to educate yourself on the facts before banging the drum of opinion on this issue.

There are a number of factual reasons why the UK might be better off outside of the EU. Why not focus on these rather than the tedious 'omg we are going to be overrun with refugees unless we vote out!!!!!'

The EU might well be 'trying to get us to take some' but so far despite being a member of the EU we've not done so. Because we have a choice.

So immigration as it stands is not causing huge problems for large swathes of the country?

Do they sell deluded juice by the bottle?

 

[Zethor]

:/ Now who's being irrational?

That video had violence in it. Most people don't like violence.


It's an express link that is hosting a video. Who cares about the content of the page, I'm pretty sure it's the video that matters, or do you dismiss videos because of where they're hosted? Yawn.

There are no 55 no go zones in Sweden? The video is garbage, it's about Somali immigrants so it's irrelevant in this thread.

The worrying thing is the Germans think its fine to unilaterally declare that its ok for all and sundry to turn up at the front door of Europe and then bully states into picking up 'their fair share of the burden'. What kind of Union is this? The 'What Germany wants' Union.

But never mind, back to that old chestnut herpderp dey takin aw jerbs etc.

What exactly is so worrying about respecting the law and human rights? You don't mind it when your rights are respected but god forbid we do the same for brown people from a different culture! Have you seen Animal Farm? If not, please do so and you will see what happens when herpderp morons decide which animals are more equal than others.

 

[[TW]Fox]

So immigration as it stands is not causing huge problems for large swathes of the country?

Do they sell deluded juice by the bottle?

How does any of that relate to what I said? We are discussing the refugee issue specifically.

 

[kindai]

How does any of that relate to what I said? We are discussing the refugee issue specifically.

I haven't looked, but how much, if any of the cash we pump into Europe is being used to deal with the migrants?

If the answer is even £1, then, why is it ok for another EU state to unilaterally invite millions into Europe, then spend UK cash to deal with it?

 

[mikeo]

LEAVE .... even if Nicola Sturgeon thinks the majority in Scotland wants to stay in the EU... I've got news for you luv, a fair few of us up here want to leave.

 

[Zethor]

I haven't looked, but how much, if any of the cash we pump into Europe is being used to deal with the migrants?

If the answer is even £1, then, why is it ok for another EU state to unilaterally invite millions into Europe, then spend UK cash to deal with it?

250k people have died in Syria so far. 11m had to flee for their lives. A part of them chose to travel to Europe. Tell me, if you had the authority to decide the fate of these people, what would you do?

Would you shoot them down in their boats?
Would you create camps and then shoot/gas them?
Which is it and how the bloody hell will you do it without spending money?

Can you people offer solutions instead whining, crying and waving your fists??

 

[Yamahahahahaha]

I don't see many additional benefits to staying in but I see lots of possible risks to leaving and not many upsides. We're not going to negotiate more favourable terms for trade or anything like that on our own. I'm voting in.

The immigration situation is stupid but the recent influx doesn't really affect us until a few years down the line if / when those people get EU citizenship.

 

[kindai]

250k people have died in Syria so far. 11m had to flee for their lives. A part of them chose to travel to Europe. Tell me, if you had the authority to decide the fate of these people, what would you do?

Would you shoot them down in their boats?
Would you create camps and then shoot/gas them?
Which is it and how the bloody hell will you do it without spending money?

Can you people offer solutions instead whining, crying and waving your fists??

I'm not discussing if it is the right thing to do or not so don't waste your time making that argument.

I'm asking why another member state can make a unilateral decision which effects the UK without consulting the UK public?

Last time I checked, I elected Dave, not Merkel.

 

[Skunkworks]

250k people have died in Syria so far. 11m had to flee for their lives. A part of them chose to travel to Europe. Tell me, if you had the authority to decide the fate of these people, what would you do?

Would you shoot them down in their boats?
Would you create camps and then shoot/gas them?
Which is it and how the bloody hell will you do it without spending money?

Can you people offer solutions instead whining, crying and waving your fists??

I’d throw rationality out of the window, use overly-emotional hyperbolic language, let them all in, and then yell “racist” at anyone who notices the accompanying crime wave.

 

[Tunney]

Last time I checked, I elected Dave, not Merkel.

Some of us didn't even elect Dave.

 

[Caged]

Do they sell deluded juice by the bottle?

'Bottle' is not an SI unit, so no.

 

[Tefal]

We've been over this probably three times in this thread now. Being accepted as a refugee does not give you free movement throughout the EU. Entering as an illegal migrant certainly does not (Though I agree, the effective lack of borders doesn't stop it but there is a border between us and the rest of Europe currently as there will remain so whether we vote to leave or not, so this is not relevant).

Being a citizen does, but as we've gone over multiple times none of these refugees are on the path to citizenship currently and the barriers to do so are such that anyone who eventually does manage - and I'm sure some might - will be sufficiently integrated into society that they'll have no reason to randomly descend upon the UK to roam the streets and offend everyone.

It really isn't too much to ask you to attempt to educate yourself on the facts before banging the drum of opinion on this issue.

There are a number of factual reasons why the UK might be better off outside of the EU. Why not focus on these rather than the tedious 'omg we are going to be overrun with refugees unless we vote out!!!!!'

The EU might well be 'trying to get us to take some' but so far despite being a member of the EU we've not done so. Because we have a choice.

And what happens ig say Italy carries out its threat to give them all visas and let them on thier way, or citizen ship etc

 

[Mr Jack]

Looks like the beginning of the end:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...demand-Frexit-EU-referendum-Germany-UK-Brexit

It just underpins why we should get the hell out sooner rather than later.

The whole project is collapsing, and those who stay longest will take the hardest hit.

Er.... the source you're citing shows that - in the most eurosceptic country surveyed - after repeated questions that target anti-EU feelings three people in every five would support staying in the EU. How exactly do you think this supports your position?

 

[Outcast]

Er.... the source you're citing shows that - in the most eurosceptic country surveyed - after repeated questions that target anti-EU feelings three people in every five would support staying in the EU. How exactly do you think this supports your position?

Because.. Like UKIP... Support is garnering support.

UKIP started the snowball rolling and it's picking up size and momentum...All over Europe.