Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 400 43.3%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 523 56.7%
  • Total voters
    923
  • Poll closed .
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Do the parts of employment law pertaining to working hours and annual leave/pay come from Europe?

Not sure how accurate this is:

https://www.crunch.co.uk/blog/small...uld-uk-employment-law-be-like-without-europe/
Laws handed down from the EU

The following laws are in place in the UK because the EU obliges us to have them:

The Working Time Regulations 1998 – in relation to maximum weekly working hours, daily and weekly rest breaks and holiday entitlement (although the UK has Opt-Out’s and various exemptions to the Regulations) – this affects employers, workers and some freelancers

The Equality Act 2010 – covering discrimination based on sex, race, religion or belief, disability, age, sexual orientation and gender reassignment, marriage and civil partnerships – this affects employers, workers and some freelancers

The Agency Workers Regulations 2010 – covering equal treatment of agency workers with ‘comparable’ permanent workers – this affects employees and workers

The Part Time Employees (Prevention of less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2000

The Fixed Term Employees (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2002

Rights for pregnant workers and maternity leave rights – including discrimination rights for pregnancy and maternity under the Equality Act 2010

Parental Leave Rights

Equal Pay – rights under The Equality Act 2010.

TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) regulations 2006 – covering employees rights when their employer changes as a result of a sale or take-over

Human Rights Act 1998 – covering the right to a fair and public hearing; freedom of assembly and association; freedom of expression; freedom of thought, conscience and religion; respect for private and family life.
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Moses said:
Are those goalposts I hear being shifted? Yep... first it's at least equal to, which has now morphed to more experienced or better. Seriously, it's just an embarrassing angle which undermines the credibility of the remain campaign... and that's coming from someone who's pro EU... it's tiresome point scoring. I'm pro EU, but hate the excrement spewed by both sides (whilst circle jerking with gay abandon in their echo chamber of choice).
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Well said.
 
Moses said:
Are those goalposts I hear being shifted? Yep... first it's at least equal to, which has now morphed to more experienced or better. Seriously, it's just an embarrassing angle which undermines the credibility of the remain campaign... and that's coming from someone who's pro EU... it's tiresome point scoring. I'm pro EU, but hate the excrement spewed by both sides (whilst circle jerking with gay abandon in their echo chamber of choice).
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Well no, I listed just some reasons a company could give that weren't discriminatory in any way to the hypothetically-declined EU worker. If it were a toss up between two equal candidates -- the same on paper in every respect -- then the final decision would have been made after an interview or an assessment centre. At this stage, the business could hire whomever they liked best, and indeed if a Brit were hired, the EU candidate would receive the standard boilerplate reply: 'Thanks for your time. You've been unsuccessful on this occasion. Best of luck in your future endeavours'.

Really, if the visiting crew found no Slovaks on the premises, I doubt they would've batted an eyelid. But if you are implying that the Leave call centre hired the EU guys purely as a means to cover their backsides, then that's even worse for them, should it ever come out in that light!:D
 
datalol-jack said:
Well no, I listed just some reasons a company could give that weren't discriminatory in any way to the hypothetically-declined EU worker. If it were a toss up between two equal candidates -- the same on paper in every respect -- then the final decision would have been made after an interview or an assessment centre. At this stage, the business could hire whomever they liked best, and indeed if a Brit were hired, the EU candidate would receive the standard boilerplate reply: 'Thanks for your time. You've been unsuccessful on this occasion. Best of luck in your future endeavours'.

Really, if the visiting crew found no Slovaks on the premises, I doubt they would've batted an eyelid. But if you are implying that the Leave call centre hired the EU guys purely as a means to cover their backsides, then that's even worse for them, should it ever come out in that light!:D
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Good logic but I fear you are detached from reality.
 
Moses said:
No, I'm not saying they hired EU people to cover their backsides. Mainly I'm saying the people trying to make something out of the story don't know enough to make a judgement, and discriminating against them as eg. Mr Jack basically suggested they should have would have been illegal. My guess, however, is they would've just tried to be fair given the circumstances they have - that the EU exists, and because of that the worker pool is as it is and they can't magically make it so they only have Brits - so it's completely unsurprising and unremarkable they have employed non Brits.

All the story and the gleeful posting of it does is make it seem as though remain can't just argue a reasonable case/have to rely on cheap attacks as part of their strategy. I think that's counterproductive, and it annoys me as someone who'd wants remain to win!
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Reasonable. I was mainly interested, and have pointed out, the link to the OBR forecast. Which I feel is far more important than mulling over what Banks does. It's funny to me, but I wouldn't go to town on just that.
 
Rilot said:
There's no reason why we wouldn't have similar regulation had we not been part of the EU. Norway has some of the best protected workers in the world and yet is not part of the EU.
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There's no reason why we will keep similar regulation if we leave either. It could go either way. At the end of the day, I guess it comes down to whether or not you trust the current government (and successive governments) to protect or erode worker's right. Personally, I can't see the status quo continuing if we leave. I'd be surprised if the Working Time Directive, TUPE and some aspects of the HRA aren't changed for the worse should we leave. We have a strong business lobby that tends to be listened to.
 
Rilot said:
There's no reason why we wouldn't have similar regulation had we not been part of the EU. Norway has some of the best protected workers in the world and yet is not part of the EU.
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Norway has a thriving democratic socialist economy. We haven't had a socialist government in this country since the 1970s.
 
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Rilot said:
There's no reason why we wouldn't have similar regulation had we not been part of the EU. Norway has some of the best protected workers in the world and yet is not part of the EU.
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Norway is not the UK. In the UK, our governments have repeatedly opposed increased worker protections and rights from the EU. The Tories recently floated the idea of companies being able to remove workers rights entirely in some kind of supposed trade.

Would we be devoid of all the rights we get under the EU? No, of course not. Would those rights likely be less, and currently diminishing under a Tory government? Yes, they would.
 
satchef1 said:
There's no reason why we will keep similar regulation if we leave either. It could go either way. At the end of the day, I guess it comes down to whether or not you trust the current government (and successive governments) to protect or erode worker's right. Personally, I can't see the status quo continuing if we leave. I'd be surprised if the Working Time Directive, TUPE and some aspects of the HRA aren't changed for the worse should we leave. We have a strong business lobby that tends to be listened to.
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It's why I'm always skeptical when I see "business supports x" because what people want you to hear is "these businesses are saying that we will have a better economy after x happens", or "there will be more jobs". Which is never actually being said at all - 'better for business' could be a reduction in mandatory holidays, removal of certain rights that employees have etc.
 
Caged said:
It's why I'm always skeptical when I see "business supports x" because what people want you to hear is "these businesses are saying that we will have a better economy after x happens", or "there will be more jobs". Which is never actually being said at all - 'better for business' could be a reduction in mandatory holidays, removal of certain rights that employees have etc.
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The fact the Conservative government is supporting staying in the EU would suggest that your average citizen would be better leaving
 
Tunney said:
Norway has a thriving democratic socialist economy. We haven't had a socialist government in this country since the 1970s.
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Norway works because it has a homogenous population which is culturally aligned. Bit different from the UK where there is an individualist expectation from a portion of natives and from cultures who are more British (by how many generations they gave been there) than I will ever be......but still identify as something else.
 
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