Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)
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Would those changes then mean a surge in popularity for the Labour Party who then dispose the Tories at the next election?
Do you really think a Tory party who stripped back workers' right to Victorian levels would get voted back in? There was no EU pressure to increase the tax free allowance or minimum wage but Osborne has done both anyway which you'd agree are a strengthening of worker's rights.
Don't get me wrong, they also brought in the 2 year limit before you can take your employer to court for unfair dismissal but they can't just strip away, without giving back if they want to remain electable.
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Why does supporting out make you racist?
I don't know, but apparently it is the go to argument for anyone who supports 'In' judging from the comments in this thread.
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His name is 'Svat', maybe you are illiterate racist
(No offense meant)
On the serious note, depending on person's view it does seem hypocritical. IMO it's bit of a slap in the face of unemployed British people in the area that for a job that doesn't really need any training they hired migrant. It's his first job in the UK as well, he might have gone back to Prague if he didn't get that job.
It's not about what one government can do. It's about what happens over time - the slow erosion of rights. It's not certain to happen by any means, but leaving the EU opens the door to the possibility.
That's the basis for the opposition to Tory plans to withdraw from the HRA too. The assumption is that a replacement 'British Bill of Human Rights' may not be so robust and that it could be further eroded over time by lots of small changes that pass the majority of people by. We all know most of the UK populous have little patience for politics, and they tend to miss such small changes happening.
I'm not saying any one political party will do this, but leaving makes it possible. Look at how many small changes have been made in the past 6 years and ask yourself; would people have accepted it if those changes were made immediately?
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I was talking to a Romanian in the pub last thursday night (from the "good part of Romania"), who couldn't understand why the UKs response to immigration wasn't more "extreme", and fully supported a points based system.
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Presume that by 'yes' you mean vote to Leave the EU. The answer to your question is that no-one knows for sure. Whether or not we can retire to Spain will be up to Spain, but since a large portion of their economy is based on being a retirement destination then I'm going to say that yes we probably will be able to in future. Whether or not British pensioners will still receive the British pension in Spain will be up to the British government, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't pay it to UK nationals living abroad.
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My Mum is 88 and lives in New Hampshire USA and gets her pension from here so why wouldn't anyone else ?
Lol, yes, I know similar people, the type who are glad to be here and also annoyed that any Tom dick and Harry from their home country has the same opportunity.
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But you could make that argument about literally anything couldn't you? what if successive governments slowly bring back the death penalty, what if successive governments slowly bring back corporal punishment in schools, What if successive governments slowly bring back slavery etc.
There's only one party who tends to think workers have too many rights, the Tories, and whilst then I understand can an immediate worry about this issue, can you really see a Corbyn led government eroding rather than increasing worker rights over its tenure, or any Labour government for that matter?
I'm more worried about an actual, demonstrable, erosion. That being our sovereignty which has massively changed since the idea of a "common market" has transformed into a pseudo-super state without any of the electorate having any say over the matter again until now. At least we are guaranteed to be able to remove an unpopular government every 5 years if they screw us over, when would we get another chance to leave an ever demanding and legislative EU? You may like the EU's social laws now, but what about in 8 or 10 years' time? Just assume they'll always do stuff that aligns with your views forever?
Also, Corbyn and McDonald's current proposals (that would massively strengthen rights) are actually illegal under EU rules so they also restrict worker rights, contrary to popular belief.
Finally, do you think TTIP, which the EU is pushing and getting signed behind everyone's back, is good for workers? I think you should be more worried about that than whether Osborne will scrap the working time directive (which we have an opt-out anyway and currently pointless).
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I'm intrigued to now what you're trying to suggest there.
Are you saying that because we have more non white/British we are more conservative? Any evidence to back that up, such as a study showing non white/British are more likely to vote Conservative?
Just for clarity I don't think ethnicity of people in this country has anything to do with the non socialist attitude in this country. Unless of course the 85% of people that are white/British are less wanting to share because some of it may go to people from non British cultures?
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Blimey the leave votes have shot ahead.
I must admit about a year ago I was 50/50 but would have probably voted to stay. Recently even the most hardline stay in Europe people I know have swung to voting out.
Of course anything can happen and there is a long time until the vote but a Brexit is a real possibility now.
I must admit about a year ago I was 50/50 but would have probably voted to stay. Recently even the most hardline stay in Europe people I know have swung to voting out.
Of course anything can happen and there is a long time until the vote but a Brexit is a real possibility now.
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Is anyone else surprised just how low-key the respective campaigns have been so far? It's less than three months away until polling day, I've not seen Nige on TV for weeks, and most of the news coverage has focussed on a proxy spat between IDS and Gideon. Apart from this thread (the one in SC is dead), I've not heard anyone else really mention it.
It seems the vast majority of Brits could give a hoot.
What polls are you looking at?
It seems the vast majority of Brits could give a hoot.
What polls are you looking at?
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The one on here was more accurate than literally >90% of the polls done in the General... so... maybe?
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The Electoral Commission has yet to decide which of the numerous groups are set be designated as the "Official" IN and OUT groups. Until that happens none of them are gonna throw money at TV adverts and will only attract so much financing.
The 'official' campaigns will be announced in the middle of April to expect to see wall-to-wall coverage and TV appearances after that.
In the meantime, enjoy this great speech from George Galloway (a man most of disagree with 99% of the time).....
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